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Love Me, Love My Monkey

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:48:41 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Debbie Rose suffers from social anxiety disorder. Her condition is such that Rose has a service animal. Rose's problem is convincing the places she goes to accept her service animal, a 10-year-old bonnet macaque.

Rose is bringing suit against Wal-Mart, the local health department and Cox Health Systems, alleging that her rights under the American with Disabilities Act (ADA) have been violated. Rose claims her social anxiety disorder is so disabling that if she isn't allowed to be accompanied by Richard, her macaque, she can't possibly go out in public. According to Rose, Richard should be viewed as being no different than a seeing eye dog. To which the local health department responds "no way." According to Director of Health Kevin Gipson, because Richard doesn't perform a physical function for Rose, the animal doesn't qualify as a service animal. A quick read of the ADA's definition of service animal would seem to vindicate Gipson:

"Service animals are animals that are individually trained to perform tasks for people with disabilities such as guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling wheelchairs, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, or performing other special tasks. Service animals are working animals, not pets."
But Rose claims the health department is being too nit picky in sticking to their definition of service animal. She claims she should be allowed to have Richard accompany her to the Wal-Mart, local restaurants, and to her nursing classes at Cox Health. She claims the health department effectively put the kabosh on that by sending out a letter to businesses and restaurants warning them about Rose and her monkey. She claims when she registered for the nursing classes she had Richard with her "and at no time was she told that she would be denied access if she was accompanied by her service animal." She also alleges she has been denied access to Cox Health facilities to visit sick relatives and even receive medical treatment herself. Cox responded by claiming the monkey represents "significant health risks." A perusal of commentary on the story in the local press reveal a good majority of the people agreeing with the health department. There were also those who lambasted the Wal-Mart for actively discouraging service animals in their store.

The case will likely rest on what a trial jury determines a service animal to be. Obviously, a seeing eye dog is a service animal as it performs a physical function the blind person can't perform. So too can trained monkeys be service animals if they are performing that essential physical act. But, if the person is impaired with a social anxiety disorder so crippling they need the presence of an animal to make them comfortable enough in their surroundings, shouldn't that animal qualify as a service animal? Some believe they should. As luck would have it, I reported on a similar case on Plastic four years ago. In that case, an apartment with a "no pets" policy tried to evict a tenant who had an animal she claimed was a service animal helping her cope with social anxiety disorder. She won her case. Also the US Department of Justice is modifying the language of the ADA to broaden the definition of service animal to take into account emotional support animals like Richard.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, Americans with Disabilities Act, lawsuit, service animals, monkey, emotional support (all tags)

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A little nuance...

port1080.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:29:54 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

It seems to me that cases like this probably need to be decided, unfortunately, on a case by case basis.  In the case the good Mayor wrote about on Plastic a few years ago, having a service animal in an apartment isn't really a big deal.  Not a threat to public health, not going to really inconvenience anyone, and if any damage is done the owner could be required to pay for it.  When it comes to marginal cases like this, though, I think it's fair to draw the line at whether the animal will inconvenience others or poses a health risk.  If this animal was a small dog I might be more sympathetic to Cox, but monkeys can be carriers of any number of illnesses, plus they have a reputation for getting into things they shouldn't.  So in this case I would come down on not allowing the service animal, but in others it might seem to make sense.  Hence, my argument that there's no simple way to make a broad rule, but rather these decisions must be made on a case by case basis.

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

arromdee.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:56:44 PM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

If the monkey were helping a person in a wheelchair, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Really, the whole thing is dependent on the fact that most of us doubt that "social anxiety disorder" is a disability in the same way that blindness or not being able to walk is.  I think the choices are pretty much "don't consider it a disability" or "allow the monkey".  Given that the law considers it a disability, it should be a slam dunk case to allow the monkey; they are questioning the wrong part of the law.

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

Lou.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:27:23 PM EST

none

I just had a mental image of a monkey fetching a can or box from a grocery store shelf for a person in a wheelchair...or, flinging poo at other customers who are trying to reach the last sale item on the rack.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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As p0157 Said In The Subqueue:

MayorBob.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:45:13 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

"... or, flinging poo at other customers who are trying to reach the last sale item on the rack."

"Usually you have to pay extra for that type of action."

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

port1080.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:02:15 PM EST

none

If the monkey were helping a person in a wheelchair, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

If another, more suitable animal was available I would strongly favor the more suitable animal.  I feel much the same in this case.  Why a monkey?  Why not a species with a more proven track record of acceptable public behavior?

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

songofthepogo.

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:09:01 AM EST

none

Really, the whole thing is dependent on the fact that most of us doubt that "social anxiety disorder" is a disability in the same way that blindness or not being able to walk is.

i think i'm willing to concede that such a disorder can be a genuine disability for some people, but i question how or why a monkey is the solution.  i think monkeys are super neat and all (really), but why a monkey when a golden retriever might just as well do?  is there a particular ... need in social anxiety disorder that only a pet with opposable thumbs can satisfy?  maybe a monkey is like a tiny person she can cope with ... or something.  i don't understand how this whole thing works.

anyway, if the monkey genuinely serves as a service animal, even if we're talking social anxiety disorder, then it should be allowed.  in this particular case, though, i'm not convinced of ms. rose's claims.

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

thefadd.

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:44:56 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Maybe the solution would be just that...a tiny person.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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still trying to figure out why ...

songofthepogo.

Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:28:33 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

i'm confused as to why someone who suffers from social anxiety disorder, and to such an extent that a service animal is required, would chose to purse coursework in nursing - a field which, unless i'm very much mistaken, involves a whole lot of social interaction (up to and including -gasp- touching people).  something doesn't add up.

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Re: still trying to figure out why ...

MayorBob.

Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:56:57 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

"...something doesn't add up."
br>Boy Howdy did you hit the nail on the head with that post and wrap up.  It does seem odd but I'll point you in the direction of some of the comments in the main link.  It seems that, in the middle of all the outrage over the lawsuit, there are comments made by people who claim to know Debbie personally.  Most of them characterize her as a bit of a publicity hound and drama queen whose penchant for notoriety is limitless.  In short, they believe she's putting the whole thing on.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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songofthepogo.

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:54:35 AM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

In short, they believe she's putting the whole thing on.

well, that actually does make a whole lot more sense than someone with a crippling social anxiety disorder actively seeking out close human interaction.  it still doesn't answer my other question, which is, "why a monkey?"  i mean ... if you're going for wow factor, i'd think something like an ostrich, maybe, or at least an emu.  a large, flightless bird on a leash has to garner more bug-eyed stares than a smallish simian.

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thefadd.

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:49:24 PM EST

4.00 (informative)

Plenty of nurses work in home environments with a very limited number of people, like one person or a family, as opposed to hospitals with lots of patient turn over.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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MayorBob.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 08:19:54 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

That's true enough.  However, in all cases, in order to become a nurse they have to get a diploma or a degree through a university or a hospital nursing school. Thus they would have other nursing students in their classes with them.  Also, in order to complete their course requirements, these  students have to pull clinical rotations in a variety of places, like the ER, OB/GYN, surgical, etc.  It boggles the mind to think there is a hospital which would be enthusiastic about having a student nurse do clinical routines with a monkey on her shoulder.  Also, even if she managed to get that degree and begins to practice this one on one nursing, what does she do if her one patient says no to J. Fred Muggs?  Is she going to sue her patient?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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thefadd.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 09:01:07 PM EST

none

I really don't think a nurse has to go through an internship like a doctor does, do they?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: still trying to figure out why ...

MayorBob.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 09:20:09 PM EST

none

My wife retired as an RN and part of her nursing degree requirements was making clinical rounds.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Besides ...

MayorBob.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 09:26:06 PM EST

none

... here's a bit more information on the training it takes to become a nurse (scroll down to where it's headed Baccalaureate Curriculum).

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: still trying to figure out why ...

songofthepogo.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 07:47:02 PM EST

none

i hadn't considered that, but you are correct.  thanks.

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Re: still trying to figure out why ...

Lou.

Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:47:09 PM EST

none

touching people

That's what the monkey if for.  Oh look!  Here comes Bonzo with the rectal thermometer.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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T Slothrop.

Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:58:41 PM EST

5.00 (funny, astute)

That's what the monkey if for.  Oh look!  Here comes Bonzo with the rectal thermometer.

And still nobody seems to be paying extra for that kind of action...

Come on, now: A nurse, a monkey, backdoor action... what more could you want?

{Insert amusing quotation here}

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Friggin hate monkeys

joshv.

Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 10:19:19 PM EST

4.00 (funny, astute)

Ross's damned monkey made an entire season of "Friends" unwatchable (well, more unwatchable that it would have been).  Perhaps if she replaced the monkey with a tow-headed cousin named Oliver...

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monkey on your back

gerrymander.

Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:22:58 PM EST

none

I'm all for service animals is they provide some use which ordinary medical treatments can't. But. There's nothing Rose's monkey provides which couldn't also be obtained from cheap, common medication, like Prozac. Or Bushmills.

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Re: Love Me, Love My Monkey

T Slothrop.

Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:02:05 PM EST

none

pO157, please repost your sub-q comment so I can give it the mod love it so richly deserves.

{Insert amusing quotation here}

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Just be thankful

Lou.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:52:27 AM EST

none

At least her companion is a macaque and not a rare African Raping Gorilla  (Ruffius Mccainus).

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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