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F-R-E-E that spells free, $300B mortgage bailout bay-be

pO157.

Posted to Business on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 06:07:58 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Saw the votes on my T.V. Thought about complaining, but was too lazy. Now instead of free markets and all of that, our debt is overflowing and our unneeded intervention is gettin' laughed at. F-R-E-E that spells free, $300B mortgage bailout bay-be.

As credit starved observers breathlessly compare the current housing crunch to the Great Depression the demand for action was heard by Congress. Over the past week the House and the Senate passed a $300 billion measure which would allow the Treasury Department to buy Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stock, increase loans to them and to take on $300B in mortgage loans. The fear is that a failure of government backed mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (and their $5.3T in home loan guarantees) would trigger an economic crisis of enormous proportions.

Supporters of the bill called it a victory for the American people. Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT), co-sponsor of the bill, announced assistance is coming for families. "Today, Congress did more than send a bill to the president -- we sent a message to American families that help is on the way." Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) could not have been prouder. "It addresses the root of the broader economic crisis - record-high foreclosures - by helping Americans keep their homes and keep their home equity. This is not a perfect bill, but we can be proud of our achievement here."

Critics objected on numerous grounds, including that it would force bad subprime debt onto taxpayers and mortgage companies. Senator Chris Bond (R-Mo) declared that lenders would force the products of their irresponsible lending onto the government. "This bill is fraught with too much risk and too little protection to the taxpayer." Others worried about the effects this type of legislation has on inflation, the dollar, and why the situation was allowed to happen in the first place.

President Bush is expected to sign the measure immediately.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by pO157, mortgage crisis, politics, bailout, Chris Dodd, catchy jingle, Dear God Make it stop! (all tags)

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nervous

wetkarma.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 06:32:59 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

In business school you are always taught that a 'risk-free' rate of return is whatever the US 3mth  treasury note is paying. I got a A- on a paper I wrote specifically for calling this bullshit - since my position is that there is no metric tracking what the true risk of default on US Treasury notes might be.

Presumably adding $5.3T to the national debt has no impact whatsoever to the risk of default. How convenient.

 

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: nervous

joshv.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 07:12:27 AM EST

none

Hell, when you own a printing press for the currency in which your debt is denominated, there is absolutely zero risk of default.

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Pick your poison

Steve Urkel.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 01:24:36 PM EST

5.00 (informative, brilliant)

this text is linked:

The cost to insure U.S. Treasury debt against default surged to a record on Friday on fears that the U.S. government may need to put capital into mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...

The cost to insure Treasury debt with credit default swaps jumped to 16.5 basis points, or $16,500 per year for five years to insure $10 million in debt, from 8 basis points on Thursday, an analyst said.

Credit default swaps are used to buy protection against the likelihood of a borrower defaulting on its debt and to speculate on an issuer's credit quality.

[...]

Debt protection costs on U.S. government debt are now higher than those for Germany, which trades at 9.5 basis points, and are trading at similar levels as Japan and the United Kingdom, which are around 16.5 basis points, the analyst said.

What does this mean? I'm not sure. I think the reasoning is as follows:

In today's economy the price of oil rapidly adjusts to inflation. This puts a limit on the amount of inflating that can be done and at some point overt default becomes politically preferable to $$$ a gallon gas.

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You are absolutely right.

pO157.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 12:08:49 PM EST

none

You just run a high chance of this happening.

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People who do the right thing get screwed.

pO157.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:54:12 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

This is just another example of how people who play by the rules and take responsibility for their choices always lose in the end. This would not be possible without excessive government intervention, subsidies and bailouts.

My wife and I saved money down for our first home and bought in the city. Not in the nicest area, but on the edge of a pretty rough zone. But we paid cash down, got a fixed rate mortgage, and are doing okay. Just getting by. As are my neighbors are others around us. Why? Because we didn't want to overpay for some mcmansion in the suburbs and be stretched to the breaking point with taxes and a high mortgage bill --- even before the ARM resets.  Now we get to experience the joys of living in the city. Last summer some random arsonist(s) kept torching homes in the vicinity every weekend (once it was two at once, right behind our house). Gang bangers do their thing a few blocks away. We became victims #6, 7 (and 8 if you count my dog who got the worst of it) of some piece of trash's pitbull. I got to meet the boys in blue (or black) while at the clothes donation bin. On the plus side commuting is easier and we get free money from the bottles drunks leave around the neighborhood.

Am I writing my congressperson demanding a tax break on ammo? Or requesting passage of a law that the city cover any property value decline if crime gets out of hand? No. We knew the risks when we signed on the dotted line and my wife and I wanted to be part of the rebuilding of a once great American city. But now I open up the paper on a regular basis and see complaints from people about how they can't afford their organic food and keep their 2nd SUV fueled up. I take the train to work and clip coupons. Where the heck is my free money? Where is my tax break or mortgage write down for doing the right thing?

The way I see it is these types of bailouts just encourage banks (and their customers who should know better) to pull this type of crap in the future. Maybe not this exact scheme but something similar. It will get worse. In the interim inflation has been driven up by all the extra cash pumped into the system. If this keeps up eventually a banking failure is going to happen. Might as well have just dealt with it now and let them fail.

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Re: People who do the right thing get screwed.

ckm.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 02:00:57 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

This is what pisses me off most.  

Because of some mistakes I made early in my life, my credit has taken a long time to get back into shape, a process which will be complete early next year.  

Now, I could have jumped in and probably easily borrowed upwards of the $1 million it costs to buy a decent place here in San Francisco in the last 5 years, but I didn't because I'm not an idiot.   However, now it seems like my careful planning has completely screwed me over as my poor credit history makes it unlikely I'll be able to get a mortgage in the current climate and all the idiots who jumped in to the housing bubble are laughing all the way to the bank with my money, courtesy of the gov't.

Boy to I feel totally screwed over in every single way.

Screwed over enough to seriously consider whether the US is a good place for me to invest or even if I should move my business ventures to another country.

Chris.

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Preach it, brother!

pO157.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST

none

Screwed over enough to seriously consider whether the US is a good place for me to invest or even if I should move my business ventures to another country.

Ahh the Milton Waadams plan. Who hasn't considered that? I think this is how we will be able to tell that the United States has begun circling the drain -- when average educated people start making that choice on a regular basis.

There are still a bunch of foreign countries that the dollar commands respect in.

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Re: Preach it, brother!

ckm.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 02:53:04 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Well, I have the distinct advantage of dual nationality and, until 14 years ago, living most of my life in countries other than the US.   Most of my family is not, in fact, in the US.  All that makes decision like these far easier for me than for most Americans.

Chris.

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We're lazy.

pO157.

Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 03:25:17 PM EST

none

The saddest thing is we shouldn't be having discussions like this. Many Americans are extremely angry about the state of affairs, and have been for quite some time. However as a nation we tend to let apathy take over and not follow up on our desires.

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The monster

profwhat.

Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 02:12:19 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute, interesting)

The worst part of this may be the $300 billion to "insure" refinanced mortgages.  On paper, it doesn't look too bad: you re-assess the house's value as it stands today, the buyer proves he can afford to pay a mortgage for 90% of that value, and the lender agrees to accept 85% of the house's value as full payment for the mortgage.  Then, the whole mortgage gets refinanced to a 30 year fixed rate, insured by the government--if the buyer doesn't pay, the government will.  So, hey, what could be wrong with that?

First, the re-assessing of the house's value.  There is no incentive on anyone's part to make this an honest number.  The home assessment industry has shown itself to be less principled than mattress salesmen.

Second, the buyer's proof that he can afford to pay.  We have seen this before; they end up signing forms with values filled in for them.

This is going to blow up in our face, again.  Better to let people who have no business sitting on those houses move out, bear through a year or two of chaos, and then slowly come back to sanity.

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