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Jesse Helms: Dead at 86

thefadd.

Posted to Politics on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:48:35 AM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Former U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms, a North Carolina Republican who became an icon to conservatives, died Friday at age 86, the Jesse Helms Center said.

The conservative icon was loved and despised in equal measures.

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Something probably not widely known

T Slothrop.

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:52:37 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

Helms was a race-baiting arch-conservative from an arguably race-baiting, arch-conservative place - central North Carolina. (He was born less than 20 miles from where my fat ass now sits.)

However, Helms - especially early in his career - was arguably (yeah there's that word again) more conservative than the state he represented. In 1972 NC was controlled top to bottom by the Democratic Party, and there was a notable history of fair-minded progressive populism here. So how come we kept sending "Senator No" to DC?

He was, believe it or not, an astonishingly effective advocate for his constituents. He staffed his local offices with very professional can-do types and he made sure nothing was ever left hanging. If your Aunt Martha was having trouble with the SSA, or Grandpa John was getting shafted by the VA, a call to Senator Helms' office always - always - got results, often the same day. And it didn't matter one bit that Aunt Martha was the local chairperson of the Rainbow Coalition or that Gramps was a fundraiser for Walter Mondale.

He quickly became literally legendary in the state for cutting through federal red tape, getting roads and bridges built after years of foot-dragging, etc.

In short, a lot of people voted for the man not because of his hard-line stances on national issues, but in spite of them.

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Re: Something probably not widely known

thefadd.

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:01:02 PM EST

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This is absolutely true. I can't think of many states that would send both Jesse Helms and John Edwards to the Senate at the same time. When I lived in North Carolina I knew ardent (white) Democrats who would never in their lives vote against Jesse Helms for the pork he could bring home as one of the most tenured Senators in Washington.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Jesse Helms, Remembered For the Prick He Was

keta.

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:24:59 PM EST

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Apparently not loved by all his former constituents.

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Re: Jesse Helms, Remembered For the Prick He Was

T Slothrop.

Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:38:05 PM EST

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I never had any use for Helms, nor did I ever vote for him.

But this guy (Eason) appears to me to be the real prick.

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Re: Jesse Helms, Remembered For the Prick He Was

keta.

Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:16:33 AM EST

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Really?  How many people were negatively affected by Eason's actions?  How many by Helms'?

Your prick-o-meter seems to be malfunctioning.

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Re: Jesse Helms, Remembered For the Prick He Was

T Slothrop.

Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 01:36:18 PM EST

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Perhaps "prick" is not the proper term. Perhaps "idiot" would be more appropriate.

Even the man's wife said that - duh - the buildings and the flags belong to the state.

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Interesting case.

MayorBob.

Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:28:18 PM EST

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But, one wonders if allowing him to resign was the appropriate step to take. I tend to agree with Eason's wife that the state flag and the lab were the property of the state and not Eason. If the governor ordered the flag flown at half staff at all state buildings, what part of all state buildings did Eason not understand?

It does raise the question of just how far a state employee should be able to go to express their principles? Could a state trooper refuse to escort the presidential motorcade of President Barack Obama and provide security because they disagree with him on political issues? It's probably just as well that Easley decided to let Eason retire, but if he hadn't and he had decided to fire him, I could see a case being made for that action.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Interesting case.

thefadd.

Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:59:44 PM EST

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Could a state trooper refuse to escort the presidential motorcade of President Barack Obama and provide security because they disagree with him on political issues?

No, but he could resign in protest rather than do it just like Eason. The state apparatus is large and powerful enough that it gets done what it collectively decides it wants to get done. But you can't make individuals do what they don't want to do. If someone feels strongly enough then they have every right to refuse to perform that function. They should be heard and if they decide to pay an extreme price like the loss of their position, then they should be admired for their fortitude in sticking to what they believe no matter how grotesque the rest of us may find that point of view. But the state will still move forward with its collective decision.

I'm trying to think of a possible example where a state employee's non-action would actually put someone else in immediate danger but I'm not coming up with anything. In the case of one or several state troopers refusing to guard someone, other plans could be made. Maybe government employees don't do anything that important ;-)

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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