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Absolute Immunity? Absolutely Not Says Court.

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:17:04 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Back when the House and Senate Judiciary Committees sought to have a little dialogue with members of the White House staff over the case of some dismissed US attorneys, the word sent back to Capital Hill was a very firm "no." No, they would not be testifying before Congress because they had "absolute immunity" from congressional subpoenas. Because Congress really, really did want to talk to these people, the House Judiciary Committee went to court to force the issue. Now, almost a year after former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales resigned, partially over the cloud the matter of the fired US attorneys had caused, Congress got its answer from a federal judge. In a strongly worded 93 page decision (pdf doc), US District Judge John D. Bates ruled there was absolutely no such doctrine as "absolute immunity."

The initial impact of the Bates decision was to order former White House Counsel Harriet Miers and current White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten to appear before the committees. It also appears likely that, if the decision stands on appeal, that former White House political advisor Karl Rove could be spending a little quality time testifying. But, before Senate Judiciary chairman, US Senator Patrick Leahy (D - VT) and his House counterpart Rep. John Conyers (D - MI) begin rescheduling hearings, they'll have to wait and see if the decision does get appealed. Leahy lauded the decision saying "I have long pointed out that this administration's claims of executive privilege and immunity, which White House officials have used to justify refusing to even show up when served with Congressional subpoenas, are wrong."

It's that extension of the doctrine of executive privilege which was what Bate's decision turned on. Bolten, Miers and Rove had refused to appear before Congress because of their belief (a belief widely held in the Bush White House) that executive privilege insulated anyone working for President Bush from having to answer congressional subpoenas. Not so, according to Bates, who allowed that there were some matters of national security where executive privilege could be asserted by the executive branch. But, having asserted as such, if the matter is contested the determination of whether executive privilege should apply is up to a court to decide. In any case, the subpoenaed executive branch officials should have shown up in person to refuse to testify.

As Judge Bates was one of George Bush's early appointments to the bench, it would seem to remove the possibility of claims of political posturing by liberal, activist judges. Even with the decision going against the White House, it's doubtful that hearings will resume anytime soon. After all, there's political conventions and elections to conduct between now and November. And, unless George Bush is named on a bill of impeachment between now and January 20th of next year, those interested Congresspersons and Senators might end up getting a taste of one executive branch power which is fairly unlimited - a presidential pardon.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Miers, Joshua Bolten, Karl Rove, executive privilege, absolute immunity, congressional committees, subpoena power (all tags)

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Never Say Never.

MayorBob.

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:05:00 PM EST

none

If my father passed along one useful value to me it was to avoid people who assert absolutes. If a person assures you something will always work or never break or cost you money, move along to the next thing. Unfortunately, the people who have been running our government never heard of such a thing and they've spent the past seven years proving my father's point. They've taken a moot question such as when can executive privilege be invoked and turned that around to mean "any old time Congress wants you to explain what the executive branch is trying to do here." Implying that executive privilege is absolute would be a stake driven in the heart of the concept of checks and balances.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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moot point

gerrymander.

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST

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This won't get settled quickly enough to matter. The White House will appeal, and appeal again to SCOTUS if that answer isn't what they want, and by that time a new administration will be in place. If it's McCain, it'll be blanket parsons for all, and if it's Obama, there'll be more on the agenda than grandstanding against an ex-president.

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Re: moot point

MayorBob.

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:37:35 PM EST

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It's odd how we both landed on the same word to describe what's at issue here -- moot. But, I have the feeling we have different interpretations of what that word means. My meaning is "it's open to question but extremely worthy of an answer." Your meaning, if I may be so bold, is "it's open to question but not worth the trouble of answering."

I'm wondering what about this issue makes it less than worthy of the courts sorting it out? Because the players will be gone in about five months time? Well then, answer me this, if the Obama administration does something its political opponents consider to be hinky or questionable and they subpoena selected senior members of Obama's inner circle to the Senate or House to answer questions about who said what to whom about what regarding the issue at hand, what's going to be your reaction to a decision from President Obama that they're all covered by executive privilege which, of course, gives them all absolute immunity from any Congressional subpoenas?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: moot point

gerrymander.

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:59:44 PM EST

none

Actually, I think it's a very interesting legal question, just not one which will be answered in a timely enough fashion to be of any use. If McCain wins and Bolten, et al., are pardoned, there's no reason to issue a ruling. If Obama wins, they might be pardoned or not, but the Democrats won't have any reason to want to restrain the then-sitting president with burdens they wished on Bush. (And frankly, I'd bet on Obama pardoning them just to provide later cover for trying the same thing.)

All we'll really learn from this is that two years is not a sufficient time for procedural gears involving high-level separation of powers issues to conclude spinning.

if the Obama administration does something its political opponents consider to be hinky or questionable...

Then I guess I'd better hope that Congressional Republicans figure it out and start acting early.

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