I hardly think what these places suffer from is continual failure in governance. They're all old north eastern cities. Maybe they ought to be left?
It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 08:28:33 AM EST
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From Camden, NJ's Wikipedia page:
Camden has historically been a stronghold of the Democratic Party.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 08:53:43 AM EST
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As has Buffalo. There is no need for a minority leader on the city council because all 9 members hail from the Dem party.
No matter which organization it is, single party rule is ALWAYS a bad thing.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 10:58:32 AM EST
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No matter which organization it is, single party rule is ALWAYS a bad thing
No matter which organization? Of the "ten worst cities,"
nine are run by Democrats, and the tenth, Charleston, WV has been run by a Republican mayor for the past five years after 32 years of rule by Democrats.
Now, I don't want to conflate correlation with causation, but don't you see a pattern emerging here?
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 11:07:52 AM EST
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You are correct. We obviously need to trust the GOP with control of the executive and legislative branches at every level. They do such a better job, as we saw during the first term of Bush '43.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 12:15:44 PM EST
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 12:35:39 PM EST
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Only because he probably couldn't get elected dog catcher in most cities.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 12:34:44 PM EST
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I wish he was just a mayor. Then maybe our country wouldn't be as screwed up.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 05:03:00 PM EST
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You seem to be blaming local governments for the off-shoring of American manufacturing jobs. Perhaps you are assigning them more power than they actually have?
If your thesis,that local Democratic rule is responsible for the failure of these cities, then there ought to be other cities in the same circumstances (that is to say, dependent on failing industries for their economic base) who have Republican or mixed government and are succeeding.
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Who's really to blame?
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 06:32:15 PM EST
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It's the workers with their greedy selves not wanting to work for 35 cents an hour like their overseas brethren.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 02:25:49 PM EST
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You seem to be blaming local governments for the off-shoring of American manufacturing jobs
I "seem" to be? Well, I'm not. State governments deserve some blame for that, but not city governments in general. (There are some specific cases where city governments are to blame for a decline in manufacturing, but I can't think of any in the cities we're discussing here.)
If your thesis,that local Democratic rule is responsible for the failure of these cities...
Please go back and reread my comments, james. I merely noted that Democratic leadership was attendant to economic decline in large US cities. Do you deny that fact? If not, do you have an explanation for that clear, indeed overwhelming, trend?
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 05:27:15 PM EST
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Have some guts.
Anyway, one explanation is that the voters of those cities realize that the Republican "devil take the hindmost" philosophy of economics won't help them when they are in dire straits, and therefore they elect Democrats.
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Re: surprise, surprise
Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 06:01:12 PM EST
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...voters of those cities realize...
Those voters are obviously educated and wise.
...therefore they elect Democrats
After forty years with no signs of improvement I have to admit that I am awed by their faith. Not by their common sense, but certainly by their faith.
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I guess you think you're clever.
Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 09:56:26 PM EST
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Are you blaming the city governments for the larger trends that are affecting the post-industrial America, or not? Make up your mind.
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Re: I guess you think you're literate.
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:39:18 AM EST
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Are you blaming the city governments for the larger trends that are affecting the post-industrial America, or not?
Refer to comment #27 where I wrote,
"State governments deserve some blame for that, but not city governments in general."
Do I need to be more clear than that?
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Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:25:02 AM EST
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-After forty years with no signs of improvement
-Camden has historically been a stronghold of the Democratic Party.
-Now, I don't want to conflate correlation with causation, but don't you see a pattern emerging here?
-State governments deserve some blame for that, but not city governments in general.
-I merely noted that Democratic leadership was attendant to economic decline in large US cities.
Do I need to be more clear than that?
Nope...I'd say your position is very clear.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM EST
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Nope...I'd say your position is very clear
See, Jimmy? It's not hard to understand.
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:11:40 PM EST
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Oh, I understand your position perfectly. You want to say something indefensible, and you don't want to try to defend it. So you'll keep saying it over and over, while denying that you're saying it.
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:12:54 PM EST
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You want to say something indefensible, and you don't want to try to defend it
Why should I need to defend a simple fact? The worst cities in the US have governments run by the Democratic Party. Do you deny that?
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:25:35 PM EST
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Most major cities have a Democrat in charge--Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York (former Dem, former Rep, now indie), Houston...so I don't see your point.
It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:28:09 PM EST
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I think maybe his point is that when people are actually close enough to Republicans to see them (as in the case of municipal government), they find it very hard to vote for them.
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:28:49 PM EST
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Yeah, but Mayor Daley II here in Chicago doesn't really count. City government (at least effective city government) is, of necessity, very business friendly. Daley pays lip-service to progressive, populist concerns, but when the rubber hits the road, it's all about business. Witness Daley's veto of a "big box" minimum wage law that would have effectively locked most big box stores out of Chicago.
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Re: Clarity
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:26:00 PM EST
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...and despite repeating over and over that you mean nothing by the observation, you keep repeating it.
People in cities elect Democrats because they prefer its philosophy of government as public service to the Republican's philosophy of government as bribe-generator.