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Dean's 2008 Scream - GOP Is The `White Party'

MayorBob.

Posted to Politics on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:22:18 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

If you thought the race card had been retired from the deck of 2008 political playing cards after that blow up over Senator John McCain's (R - AZ) reaction to Senator Barack Obama's (D - IL) reaction to McCain's celebrity internet ad, think again. This time former Vermont governor, presidential candidate and primal scream enthusiast, Howard Dean, inadvertently (or advertently) introduced the issue again.

The current Democratic National Committee chair was trying to explain why his party was the natural home for those who believe in a multi-cultural, diverse America. However, during the interview, Dean misspoke. Or did he? His exact words were, "if you look at folks of color, even women, they're more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in the (laughs) Republican party." Nobody is going to be able to dispute that, proportionately, blacks and people of color, more readily identify themselves as Democrats. But, is it fair to call the Republican Party, the "white party?" Following that, how much will race matter in this election?

The answer to the former question is not really accurate. GOP candidates have garnered 15% percent of the black vote in elections from 1980 to 2004 and the party is extremely popular among Cuban-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans. The Democratic Party is undeniably popular among ethnic minorities and the candidacy of Senator Obama will likely raise votes from black Americans. The answer to the latter question looks to be "a whole bunch" based upon the way the "race card" thing blew up earlier this month. Juan Williams is convinced "the race issue isn't going away." With 83% of blacks supporting Obama and the percentage of whites holding favorable views of him ranging from 31% to 48%, Williams believes blacks are voting color this year.

Therein lies Obama's dilemma, according to Peter Beinart. Beinart believes Obama needs to make this election be about any number of things other than color. The more the race card comes up (or can be invoked by the McCain camp) the more often a finger can be pointed at the color-bound choice of Obama supporters as opposed to the colorblind appeal of the McCain campaign. All of which gets back to Dean's unfortunate slip (or calculated slam). If Beinart is correct, Dean didn't do Obama any favors. Of course, Dean came out and apologized for the slip. One wonders why he bothered, as he unapologetically made almost the same charge three years ago.

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Lingering geographical divisions...

port1080.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:04:24 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The problem here, I think, is that the situations are quite different in the North & West as opposed to the Old South, and even then between rural and urban areas.  Outside of the rural areas of the Old South, party divisions have much more to do with class than race.  It's true that blacks mainly vote Democrat, but it's equally true that their income demographic would, for the most part, be voting Democratic anyway.  Likewise, whites generally don't vote Republican out of an racial reasoning, but rather either due to class or "culture war" style arguments.  

Still, the lingering stench of Southern white rural racism (don't jump on me Southern TnTers - I realize it's diminishing, but the history is still there and it still exists to some extent) combined with the demographic realities that are going to push blacks towards the Democratic party no matter what their race, it certain makes the Republican party look bad, even when (for the most part) the overt racism is almost gone.  

For a perfect example of why I think this is a class issue rather than a race issue, I think all we need to do is look at the Jewish vote.  It's gone Democratic almost as strongly (and certainly as consistently) as the black vote (and certainly contributed more money to the party), but Jews are much less like than blacks to be poor, and hence Republican policies, which generally are pro-business, rarely appear to be anti-Jewish.  If blacks in the US were, on the whole, as economically well off as Jews, but still voted for the Democratic party in the same proportions as they do today, I very much doubt we'd be taking it as evidence of endemic racism on the part of the GOP.

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

laputanmachine.

Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:47:19 AM EST

none

Whenever I read about Jewish and black culture, left-wing sentiments often appear. For most Jews and blacks, I think the Republican party is seen as anti-Jewish and anti-black by simply being right-wing in philosophy. If a political party opposes nearly all of your group's philosophy, it seems by definition "anti-" to whatever group you are in. The Republicans argue that their views are the right ones, and that Jews and blacks would benefit more by agreeing with Republican values, but it's still a counteracting force to Jewish and black opinions about where the country should be going.

Capitalism itself isn't very fondly looked at in either culture, while democracy is much more palatable. These sentiments have been developed over hundreds of years of shared experiences. And they aren't just wiped away by simply becoming rich as an individual. Rich blacks mostly still vote Democrat because while they may have "made it," they usually still identify with the experiences of their group's experiences, going back decades or even centuries.  Similarly, Jewish Americans who have lived a good life in America still know the history of Jewish persecution that has occurred throughout history, and their religion itself is apparently more compatible with Democratic values than Republican ones (same goes for Catholics, for example).

Vietnamese Americans are almost entirely made up of refugees (and their US born children) from South Vietnam, as it collapsed to the North Vietnamese government. The Republicans were seen as tougher on Communism than Democrats, so that seems a big reason Vietnamese Americans vote Republican. A similar situation exists with Cuban Americans. Chinese Americans are quite wealthy but vote Democrat, and Chinese have far less anti-Communist sentiments than Vietnamese Americans. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Mao's Communist side was overwhelmingly popular by the time they took over the country. Meanwhile, the Vietnamese war had the nation much more bitterly divided.

So I don't think class and race can be separated, because race and culture can't be separated. Cultures are developed over decades and centuries, influenced by wars, tragedies, successes, etc. Just because Jewish and Chinese Americans are fairly rich today doesn't mean they just throw away history and vote for the benefit of their individual wallets.

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Steve Urkel.

Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 09:16:54 PM EST

none

It couldn't be that wealthy Jews and blacks vote against their own financial interests because they dislike white people, could it?

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Lou.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:37:06 PM EST

none

ummm...aren't most Jews white?  Just asking.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

ms sue.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 11:43:46 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant, funny)

No. I checked.

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:54:52 PM EST

none

If Jews are white why did a Jew invent the term WASP?

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Oy...who knew?

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:41:28 PM EST

none

Jesus was black?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Oy...who knew?

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:50:05 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

No, he was a Chinaman.

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It's all good

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:53:42 PM EST

none

All muds look the same to you anyway.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:56:34 PM EST

none

Andrew Hacker is Jewish?

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 05:14:57 PM EST

none

Sure. He's a sociologist from Queens.

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 05:22:08 PM EST

none

Got some proof?  Or is coming from Queens proof enough?

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qvack

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 06:15:53 PM EST

none

Writes about black-Jewish relations. Wrote for Commentary when it was lefty and almost exclusively Jew. His " domestic partner" is Jew. Reviews books about Jewish experience as if he knows what he's an expert.

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Re: qvack

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:17:23 PM EST

none

You'll have to do better than that.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Lingering over your divisions

Lou.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:13:23 AM EST

none

If Jews are white why did a Jew invent the term WASP

This is what I love about the right.  Someone desperately tries to find someone on the opposite side who is more racist they he is, hoping to expunge his racism with the cure-all "well, I may be be racist, but I'm not as bad as so and so".  So, we cast about for an other to make us look better.  A Jew allegedly come up with an acronym that describes folks that are not Jewish or Catholic or black, and the whole discussion comes to a screeching halt at "white".  "See...see!  He called us white.  He must hate whites...or worse, he must not be white.  Take a deep breath, Gord and work out what the ASP means in WASP.  Take another deep breath and reflect upon the fact that if WASP is the worse thing the Mud conspiracy has to say against your people, you're getting off easy.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Lingering geographical divisions...

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:40:38 PM EST

none

Why would white people invent the term "shiksa" for blondes?

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Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:56:11 PM EST

none

Shiska, a term

that is used as a mock-pejorative term for a non-Jewish woman.

Did you forget that Elaine from Seinfeld has "shiksappeal".

Besides, not all whites are blond.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:03:38 PM EST

none

"Mock-pejorative"?  As Wikiacrapia notes, the word "is derived from the Hebrew term sheketz, which means "abomination," "impure," or "object of loathing". So it's a slur.

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I'm a pickin' and he's a choosin'

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:52:57 PM EST

none

From the same damn wiki entry

as a mock-pejorative term for a non-Jewish woman. Traditionally, the word shiksa is used to refer to a non-Jewish woman.

The word shiksa is derived from the Hebrew term sheketz, which means "abomination," "impure," or "object of loathing", depending on the translator.[1]

Despite its etymology, the term shiksa is widely used and accepted in the United States, where it is often used in a humorous way.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: I'm a pickin' and he's a choosin'

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 05:01:42 PM EST

none

Lot's of jokes contain racial slurs. Just because a coon joke is funny doesn't mean the word "coon" itself isn't a racial slur.

"Despite its etymology," that most whites aren't aware of, "the term shiksa is widely used and accepted," among Jews.

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GOP Is The `White Party' if you got land, man.

permazorch.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:59:02 AM EST

none

I thought that was the G.O.P. platform: protecting the planet's white people (barring commies, queers and women who didn't know their place).

Did I miss something?

----- The earth may burn, but we will quiver

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Showing Respect

uncarved block.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 12:07:48 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

    See, the thing is the GOP has spent a lot of time, money, and ink trying to convince anyone who will listen that this is no longer the case. The MSM would be being discourteous to the one thing they do believe in- namely, money, the more the better- if all these efforts were ignored. And with the general election barely living up to the Democratic primary, just about any gaffe that can be shoehorned into a controversy will get at least a trial run.
    The far more interesting thing to ponder IMO is the relationship between Dean and Obama-- or the lack thereof. Dean obviously has different priorities, and you have to wonder if he's thinking that the race issue will help at the congressional level, even if it costs Obama two or three points in the general election, and whether this trade off is worth it. Indeed, a hobbled McCain working (or rather, not working) with Democratic majorities in the legislature might not seem like such a terrible outcome at the DNC and DCCC, if you're being Machiavellian. Every president who runs as an "outsider"* has these kinds of tug-of-wars with the existing party establishment, so this would hardly be unusual-- and is the kind of thing in politics that is far more interesting than elections, at least for some observers. How this all plays out if Obama actually does win will make for interesting, if underreported, theater. May have to put The Hill back in my bookmarks if this happens :)

     *Total geek joke here: in the new D&D system, creatures from other planes (demons, elementals, djinns, etc) are all categorized as Outsiders in the nomenclature. Picturing a presidential candidate as someone who must be summoned by dark magic, and mollified with sacrifices, has a certain amusing quality to me.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: GOP Is The `White Party' if you got land, man.

skeptic.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:21:11 AM EST

none

At the time the US was founded, only land-owners could be considered to be economically successful or respectable; today one could be perfectly successful without owning land, although one should at least own a condominium.  But the basis of the Republican Party does seem to be economic in nature, rather than racial.  They are supposed to protect the interests of the affluent.  Since some African-Americans are also affluent, they may believe that their interests are served by the Republican Party.  There are even homosexuals in the Republican Party, and have their own faction known as "Log Cabin Republicans" although it is, in my opinion, very foolish for any gay person to support an openly anti-gay party.  But again, gay people can also be affluent, and that can influence their political choices.

I would also add that the Republican Party has really made such a mess of things, under the current administration, that it really hasn't served the interests of any Americans, affluent or otherwise, with the exception of a small number of war profiteers.  But they are driving the country to bankruptcy, and affluent Americans are not going to be happy with the result.

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Kasimir Malevich

Steve Urkel.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:09:00 PM EST

none

Yes, the GOP is the white party. Just look at the voter demographics of the 1992 and 1996 presidential elections, and notice Clinton did not capture a majority of the white vote in either election. As far as I can tell, among non-whites the only groups that prefer Republicans to Democrats are Cubans and Filipinos.

 

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Re: Kasimir Malevich

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:15:57 PM EST

none

As far as I can tell, among non-whites the only groups that prefer Republicans to Democrats are Cubans and Filipinos
What about Italians?

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Re: Kasimir Malevich

Steve Urkel.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 03:28:05 PM EST

none

They appear to be about evenly split.

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MayorBob.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:13:49 PM EST

none

Vietnamese-Americans are pretty solidly Republicans.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Oh No!

JimmyHavok.

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:39:02 PM EST

none

Dean mentioned the elephant in the room!  You aren't supposed to do that!

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