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Small Wonder.... Biden Clean, Articulate Choice for VP Slot

thefadd.

Posted to Politics on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:12:15 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Saturday morning, August 23rd, around 3AM US Eastern Time (12AM Pacific), Barack Obama tapped US Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) as his vice presidential running mate.

Biden brings experience and foreign policy credentials to the Obama ticket, but also a proclivity for plagiarism, angry outbursts and verbal gaffes. Some Democrats have been calling for Biden on the ticket for months, others have been more skeptical.

Will Biden bring Obama the balanced ticket that he needs, or will his insider record disillusion those who were pulling for Obama based on his message of change and hope? And what was up with that whole text message debacle?

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Re: Small Wonder

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:10:49 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

No Clinton, no Edwards. Maybe there's hope for the Democratic Party after all.

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Re: Blah

Jackkeefe.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:22:04 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Biden seems like a nice, safe choice who will have no appreciable effect on the election. I can't imagine there are any demographic or geographic voting blocs that are going to switch alignments because of him.

I assume Obama must be feeling pretty good about his place in the polls, because he passed up Kaine and Bayh who might have made a difference in states McCain has to win and Clinton who would have shored  up support amongst white woman.
Although Biden, with his decades in the Senate, provides the ticket with the experience Obama lacks.  

I imagine the McCain camp has to feel pretty good about the selection.  They've already focused on  Biden's statement that Obama wasn't ready for the Presidency and Biden's record of gaffes and plagiarism will give pundits plenty of ammunition. I imagine the Republicans believe that  Biden  won't significantly help Obama and that given his penchant for running his mouth, they hope that Biden will commit a major gaffe.

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adjusting sails

wetkarma.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 04:53:26 AM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting)

A major reason (some would say key) that Obama managed to prevail over HRC was that early on, Obama had staked out a strong anti-war position whereas HRC had to live with her voting record on the issue.

This presumably was why the left and the democratic party ultimately swung to Obama - HRC, handicapped by her stance on Iraq simply couldn't close the deal.

So its with some amount of puzzlement/bewilderment that I see Obama choosing Joe Biden -- a man whose position on Iraq is virtually the same as HRC and as a representative of the state of Delaware (unofficial motto: never miss an opportunity to fleece Americans from other states) virtually embodies the status quo.

I understand that campaign strategies are to play to the base in primaries and tack to the center in the final stretch, but I can't quite grok which part of the 'center' likes Joe Biden enough to outweigh those on the left who see him as an enabler of the Iraq war.

If you grant that Obama was right on Iraq, how is Biden by virtue of his 'foreign policy experience' a suitable VP? Wouldn't that sort of logic mean that John McCain then trumps Obama in the suitability for president stakes?

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Joe-ker

Steve Urkel.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:15:11 PM EST

4.66 (interesting, informative, interesting)

Sept. 22, 1987, Biden Admits Error:

"Most of Mr. Biden's statement was in response to a report in this week's issue of Newsweek magazine on a tape recording made by the C-SPAN network of an appearance by Mr. Biden at a home in Claremont, N.H...

The tape...showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ''Frank.'' Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ''I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.''

He then went on to say that he ''went to law school on a full academic scholarship - the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,'' Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ''ended up in the top half'' of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ''the outstanding student in the political science department'' and ''graduated with three degrees from college.'' Comments on Assertions

In his statement today, Mr. Biden, who attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85, acknowledged: ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inacurate.''

As for receiving three degrees, Mr. Biden said: ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors - I said 'three' and should have said 'two.' '' Mr. Biden received a single B.A. in history and political science.

''With regard to my being the outstanding student in the political science department,'' the statement went on. ''My name was put up for that award by David Ingersoll, who is still at the University of Delaware.

...Newsweek said Mr. Biden had gone to Syracuse ''on half scholarship based on financial need.'' ''

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Clap hands!

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:51:11 PM EST

none

Dance in your joy, conservative, Dance!

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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P.S.

port1080.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:44:43 AM EST

3.00 (informative)

For those who might find the headline a bit obscure - one of Delaware's state nicknames is Small Wonder.

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Alternate Title:

MayorBob.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:32:08 AM EST

none

Home of tax-free shopping.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Alternate Title:

pO157.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:57:28 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Obviously that includes Vice Presidents.

Do you get a free Secretary of Transportation if you pick up a discounted VP choice?

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Re: Alternate Title:

MayorBob.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:01:25 AM EST

none

By the way, we accept returns within 30 days with the cash register receipt.  You don't got that and you have to take store credit.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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typo

delete me.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:14:21 PM EST

3.00 (informative)

around 3AM US Eastern Time (1PM Pacific)

Around 12AM Pacific, unless the continental US has 13 new time zones.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Dissapointing choice...

port1080.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:31:32 AM EST

none

This feels like Obama's first big stumble for me.  Then again, maybe it's a brilliant choice in terms of pulling in the votes he needs...it certainly seems to be coldly politically calculated, though.  Which, I suppose, brings me back to this being a stumble...because if I'm going to pick between two cold political calculators, maybe I'd rather go with McCain...who at least has proven himself to have some backbone and grace under pressure.  When looking for that in Obama - not so sure anymore...

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Disappointing post...

permazorch.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 01:07:41 AM EST

5.00 (interesting)

maybe I'd rather go with McCain...who at least has proven himself to have some backbone and grace under pressure
Huh-whaaat?

Are you kidding me? Do you mean the kind of backbone that flips for a torture bill? Fuck me with a gravedigging backhoe! If the covetous McCainiac had backbone (hell, even trace amounts of spinal fluid), he would've completely renounced Geo. W. Bush before the 2004 elections for what was done in the good name of these United States!

I have only one thing to say to you, good port1080: Grrrr! Grrrrr!!!

----- The earth may burn, but we will quiver

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

pO157.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:36:47 AM EST

none

Then again, maybe it's a brilliant choice in terms of pulling in the votes he needs...it certainly seems to be coldly politically calculated, though.

At this point everything is spun and run by focus groups. A bunch of party "elders" probably had to sign off on it as well. Obama could be the most independent outsider in the world his party would likely have shot him down had he nominated somebody from the 'outside.'  Everything will be calculated between here and November.

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

skeeter1.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:27:56 PM EST

none

"Everything will be calculated between here and November. "

Without a doubt.  I'm trying to keep an open mind between now and November.  I like Obama, I like McCain.  Then again, I liked Dennis Kucinich, so what the hell do I know.  I've voted Libertarian in the past, but no longer -- They have no chance in the world of winning and have (IMHO) gotten weird.  

I hate politics.  We've already been bombarded with nasty commercials between the two major candidates, and it's only going to worse between now and November.  Oh joy.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

logan.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:58:54 PM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

We've already been bombarded with nasty commercials between the two major candidates,

You've lost me here. Obama's barely gone on the offensive against McCain let alone heading for the gutter. McCain and his surrogates, on the other hand went straight for the gutter. McCain claimed that Obama refused to visit wounded soldiers if he couldn't bring a camera crew, which was a complete lie. McCain claims that Obama is to blame for gas being $4 a gallon and that his popularity is somehow a disadvantage. While John McCain seems to have forgotten about it, Obama has lived up to McCain's pledge to run a clean campaign. Seriously, find me an ad from before August 1st where Obama goes negative on McCain.

If the tone of the campaign they run is the deciding factor for you on a candidate's character (a viewpoint I can't really disagree with), then ask yourself who's running the more negative campaign: Obama or McCain.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

Jackkeefe.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:36:15 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

Seriously, find me an ad from before August 1st where Obama goes negative on McCain.

According to this site, Obama began running negative ads on July 7th.

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Visiting troops

profwhat.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:23:01 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

While John McCain seems to have forgotten about it, Obama has lived up to McCain's pledge to run a clean campaign.

"As widely noticed, Barack Obama has been running tough contrast ads ... negative ads, fine... in at least a half dozen states. The campaign has taken to not informing the media of their ad buys, on purpose, so as to give themselves a few days or even hours worth of deniability and a competitive advantage. "

Or, in your case, weeks of deniability.

By the way, why did Obama reject McCain's proposal for ten town-hall style debates again?  If he had accepted that, this would have been the most substantive, informative presidential campaign in over 100 years.  Every single time someone complains about the tone of this campaign, they will have to explain why Obama rejected that proposal.

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

gerrymander.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:21:08 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

McCain claimed that Obama refused to visit wounded soldiers if he couldn't bring a camera crew, which was a complete lie.

Based on the links you cite, the false part of McCain's claim was "couldn't bring a camera crew" and not "Obama cancels hospitalized troops visit." The problem, of course, is that an Obama with plenty of time to talk to Germans but none for American soldiers plays into McCain's hands regardless of the reason for cancellation.

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Re: Dissapointing choice...

JimmyHavok.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 03:53:21 AM EST

none

an Obama with plenty of time to talk to Germans but none for American soldiers

I loved the way the McCain ad used a clip of Obama with American soldiers while claiming he hadn't visited them.  I guess that tells you who the audience was: people who can't remember what they saw on the news a week ago.

Obama w/ troops in Kuwait

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Re: Disapointing choice...

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:53 PM EST

none

Obama w/ troops in Kuwait
Those folks are in the Air Force, James.  But, yeah, sure. Whatever.

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Re: Disapointing choice...

JimmyHavok.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 06:55:48 PM EST

none

Yeah, yeah, grunts don't like it when people acknowledge that fliers are in the military too.  I guess it's because they know they were too stupid to get in.

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Re: Disapointing choice...

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:07:28 PM EST

none

Perhaps you missed the key point that the soldiers Obama failed to visit in Germany were wounded in combat. Whatever.

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supporting the soldiers

JimmyHavok.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:19:12 PM EST

4.66 (informative, informative)

I wonder what Obama did for wounded soldiers before he was running...

I wonder what McCain did?

But you want to pish about whether he made a visit in Germany...yeah, I know how it is, you gotta run with what you got, meager as it is.

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Re: Small Wonder.... Biden Clean, Articulate Choic

pO157.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:41:14 AM EST

none

And what was up with that whole text message debacle?

Did anybody think that would actually go as planned? I don't care how secretive the campaign is. When you have an army of reporters all clamoring to get their five seconds of fame by being the "first to know" they'd do anything to find out. Plus you figure you have to have at least a couple dozen party insiders who knew Obama's choice. All of these people have staffers and interns. All it takes is for one of these people (probably numbering hundreds when all is said and done) to decide they want to get a big chit with some reporter and they'll go and leak it.

Even if everybody is on Team Obama, in the end a large percentage are only looking out for themselves. I am shocked it stayed a secret this long.

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Based on this pick ...

MayorBob.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:43:28 AM EST

none

... I'd say McCain selects someone who's not a US Senator to run with him.  I think the prospect of having all four candidates being Senators would overload circuits among an electorate which, frankly, doesn't hold members of Congress in high esteem.  That means that a ticket of McCain/Lieberman is off the table.  My top three picks are:

1. Tom Ridge

2. Mitt Romney and

3. Tim Pawlenty

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Based on this pick ...

pO157.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:10:52 AM EST

none

Tom Ridge

Not bad on a National Security angle. It would help with the Keystone state, as well. Maybe. But wouldn't that just allow the Dems to attack McCain as being another Bush light, given that (in my opinion) the bureaucratic Goliath that is the Department of Homeland Security really has not done much to make us safer? Then again nobody really seems to care about their shenanigans so perhaps my point is moot.

Mitt Romney

The AM radio crowd that has been going off about how Obama is the Antichrist is going to get behind a candidate whose religion says not so nice things about mainline Christianity?

Tim Pawlenty

Ok.

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Does this really matter?

pO157.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:06:06 AM EST

none

Does anybody seriously hold off on choosing a candidate until they make their VP choice known? Does it really matter? Our esteemed 32nd Vice President is esteemed for saying accepting the job was "the worst damn fool mistake I ever made" and declaring the office isn't worth a "warm bucket of spit" (or piss, depending on the source).

Until the collection of executive powers by the Chainsaw started this office was relatively powerless. If Obama promises to function as the Chief Executive and not subcontract out his leadership then does it really matter who he picks, as long as they are not wholly unsuitable?

Could it be that the rush to know who McCain and Obama will pick is simply a product of these 24 hour news cycles that need to fill the air with something? Couldn't the whole process be much simpler? Announce it via press release once the nomination has been secured, or horse trade the job in exchange for the delegates of a 3rd or 4th place finisher. Everybody wins (except the Telcos who made thousands off that text message barrage last night).

Personally, I'm not deciding on who gets my vote until each candidate announces who their Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Fish, Wildlife and Parks will be. You think I'm joking now, but how many more elections will it be until each candidate feels compelled to announce their cabinet slate before the election?

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Yes And No

uncarved block.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:01:37 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

   Well, I've said before that the nobody votes based on the Veep choice, and for the most part that's true; the days when someone could "carry a state" are mostly, if not entirely gone, and which means the second choice shouldn't give you a reason to vote against someone, which is a pretty low bar to jump.
    But in the case of McCain this cycle, I have to say that I've held off making too many comments until I knew who his pick was, because for the first time since Reagan in 1984, one of the candidates (who has a great chance to win, which nixes Dole in 1996, say), the chances are high that the president who starts the term could die or be disabled for part of his term. Now, one of the attractions McCain has for me is that his political philosophy isn't some conservative version of the Underpants Gnomes, with Step One being "crush the Democrats"-- so if he picked some mouth-breathing, knuckle dragging conservative just to appeal to a base that still won't trust him, then I'd start popping off some more about how bad a choice he was. But this is out of the ordinary, that's for sure.
    Oh BTW, I had heard that the saying was, "a warm bucket of shit", which has the advantage of only changing one letter in the safe version, and also would be the kind of thing someone who grew up in a horse based economy would think was a good observation. But I'm not the greatest at historical minutiae such as this :) Whatever the case, you could spend a worse couple hours than if you picked up Bland Ambition, the history of the Vice Presidency up to, IIRC, Dan Quayle. Interesting window on to the American political process, if nothing else.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Yes And No

JimmyHavok.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:31:18 PM EST

none

If you grew up in a horse-based economy, a warm bucket of shit would not be nearly as disgusting as a warm bucket of spit...especially if you grew up around spittoons.

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Doesn't Matter

uncarved block.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:22:50 AM EST

none

     Well, a warm bucket of shit would have been available at any stable, so it would have been a useless commodity-- quite a contrast with a unique government post. But I was wrong about the second guessing anyway, as "warm bucket of piss" comes from the official biography, at least according to Wikipedia. Must have crossed some wires with a Samuel Johnson biographical incident.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Doesn't Matter

JimmyHavok.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 03:55:06 AM EST

none

I've always seen it as "warm bucket of spit."

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Re: Does this really matter?

profwhat.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:55:54 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

During 2004, I was a very late decider, and Kerry's pick of Edwards was a blow against Kerry.  This decision is important.  Although the president is formally in charge of the entire executive branch, he can only do so much, and for the most part the government is run by men and women that the president appoints.  So, having an opportunity to see how the president picks people is pretty damn important.

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Re: Does this really matter?

strangeluck.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:40:04 PM EST

none

That's an excellent point. I'm usually pretty uninterested in the VP selection process, but the idea that it might provide insight into who might be chosen to be Secretary of State or Attorney General makes it far more interesting. That said, I'm not sure what to take from Obama's choice. Anyone have thoughts?

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Re: Does this really matter?

skeptic.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:20:13 AM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

What I take from Obama's choice is that he is a loyal member of the Democratic Party, and he intends to work with the existing power structure of that party.  Although he does intend to bring change to America, as claimed, the primary change would be from Republican policies to Democratic policies, which is actually not that big a change, although it is still worthwhile in my humble opinion.  However, a candidate such as Dennis Kucinich would have brought deeper changes, and presumably would have had a more interesting choice of running mate as well.

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proclivities

JimmyHavok.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:55:13 PM EST

none

I like how the "proclivity for plagiarism" link goes to a 20-year-old article that is so vague as to the actual charges that it qualifies as a smear. The "plagiarism" in the speech was a quote from Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party, which he forgot to attribute in one speech out of several where he used it.

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Re: proclivities

MayorBob.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:08:16 PM EST

4.50 (informative, astute)

Biden's been my Senator for six terms and I like him a whole lot as a Senator.  But, don't try to gild the lily on the Kinnock business.  The quote in question spoke of him growing up, the son of a poor coal miner.  Biden made it seem to an audience in Iowa or New Hampshire that he was the son of the poor coal miner.  Of course it didn't take long for someone in Delaware to note that Biden's father was a very successful car dealer; successful enough to send Joe to the finest Catholic high school in the state and foot the bill for law school for him.  It was plagiarism and it wasn't one of those "oops, I forgot to cite my source" sort of thing.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: proclivities

JimmyHavok.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:43:54 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

It seems like a very curious sort of plagiarism...plagiarizing someone else's family history?  And apparently he used the quote more than once, and only failed to attribute it the one time.

Here are the actual lines, according to the Telegraph:

NEIL KINNOCK at Welsh Labour Party conference May 1987:

"Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because our predecessors were thick? Does anybody really think that they didn't get what we had because they didn't have the talent or the strength or the endurance or the commitment? Of course not. It was because there was no platform upon which they could stand"

JOE BIDEN IN Sept 1987 during his first presidential campaign:

"Why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go a university? Why is it that my wife... is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? ...Is it because they didn't work hard? My ancestors who worked in the coal mines of northeast Pennsylvania and would come after 12 hours and play football for four hours? It's because they didn't have a platform on which to stand."

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Re: proclivities

MayorBob.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:59:29 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

The Kinnock speech wasn't the first time Biden dabbled in plagiarism.  I believe Biden was the one who said he credited the Kinnock speech in every other use of it than the one time he got caught on videotape.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: proclivities

Thalia.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:22:35 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Wikipedia concurs and provides references for Biden's self-defense, though.

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One Angry Former Obama Supporter

thefadd.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:44:13 AM EST

none

I'm embarrassed to have my name attached to this write up and officially renounce my membership in the Democratic party.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: One Angry Former Obama Supporter

pO157.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:05:51 AM EST

none

officially renounce my membership in the Democratic party.

Feels good, doesn't it? You doing the independent thing or taking your vote to a competing party?

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What I Find Odd.

MayorBob.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:12:10 AM EST

none

What happened to Bill Richardson?  Here's a liberal Democrat with substantial foreign policy experience and political savvy who gets passed over for Joe Biden.  As I posted elsewhere, I like Joe Biden as my Senator -- I've voted for him in every election since he began running for political office.  But, really there just isn't that much that recommends him as a running mate for Obama over the rest of the pack.  Richardson was in the primary fight early on, along with Biden and Obama.  He showed much more national interest than Biden did.  When he withdrew he threw his support to Obama and, unlike Biden, never openly questioned whether Obama would really be up to the job.  Biden doesn't really bring any big state connections (other than his Pennsylvanian birthplace) to the table than Richardson does.

Richardson is also a popular state governor from a region of the country that Obama really could benefit from having a boost in November.  Plus, an added bonus here, Richardson is an Hispanic -- and that can't hurt in an electorate where that ethnic group is the next big thing.  Of course, perhaps his being an ethnic American finally hurt his chances.  Perhaps Obama (or his brain trust) figured that Obama's ethnic profile would be just fine and they were willing to go with that and they needed an obviously white bread name and face on the ticket to balance out things for the Democrat from Cook County.  Did Richardson ever come out and finally and irrevocably reject the idea of a run for Veep?  If he did I missed it.  Just wondering here -- both at the selection of Biden and the passing on Richardson.  

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Oh, Before I Forget It.

MayorBob.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:15:06 AM EST

none

Richardson has never, not once, to my knowledge ever referred to John McCain as a "dear friend" or professed a willingness to run for office on a ticket with him like Biden has.  You may expect the McCain camp to begin early making sure everyone is aware of what Biden has said about McCain.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: What I Find Odd.

zyxwvutsr.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:32:42 AM EST

none

Bill Richardson can't pull in the Indian-American vote like Joe Biden can.

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Rejoice o conservatives and racists

Lou.

Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 11:33:12 AM EST

none

Obama's finished.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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the Republican reaction

skeptic.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:30:14 AM EST

none

The immediate reaction of the Republican spokespeople to the choice of Biden was that Obama was admitting to the fact that he has insufficient experience and insufficient judgment to be President, by picking such an experienced running mate.  It's interesting how political minds work.  Of course, if Obama had picked as his running mate another person with relatively few years of experience in politics, the Republican response would have been to denounce the resulting team as being twice as bad as Obama was by himself, being composed of two inexperienced people.  You lose either way.  But logically, if it is true that Obama's main weakness is a relative lack of experience, then choosing a more experienced running mate would seem to be a very logical means of improving the Democratic ticket. Presumably, Biden will be a very convenient source of advice should Obama ever feel that he needs help.

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Re: the Republican reaction

profwhat.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 12:40:03 PM EST

none

Except it doesn't work that way.  A presidential candidate can't make up for his failings by nominating someone who "fills a gap."  Franklin Roosevelt didn't get to claim he could walk because he picked a vice president who could.  This is not Master-Blaster; we might vote for two people at once, but they're still two people.  Biden and Obama disagree on foreign policy; aside from the Iraq votes, Biden has voiced strong disagreement with Obama on Pakistan and Obama's unconditional promise to meet with enemy foreign leaders.  So, is a "gap" being filled, or is Obama just laying the groundwork for bitter intra-West Wing disputes to come?  (Assuming, of course, that Biden is even welcomed into policy discussions).

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Re: the Republican reaction

skeptic.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 08:23:51 AM EST

none

It is at least possible that Obama & Biden will discuss the issues upon which they disagree or the issues which could be clarified by the perspective of Biden's years of experience, and that Obama will gain something from these discussions.  The outgoing Bush administration seems to have given a very meaningful role to the vice President. It is also possible that Obama actually has no interest in what Biden thinks about anything, and chose Biden purely for the sake of appearances.  In the event of that the Obama-Biden ticket is elected, we shall see how they function.

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In fairness to the honorable Sen. from Delaware

Steve Urkel.

Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 06:57:14 PM EST

none

Since I linked to Biden saying a bunch of bonehead things above, it's only fair to link to an example of Biden telling the truth.

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