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MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:59:58 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Ken Smith is a British academic who says he's quite tired "correcting my students' atrocious spelling." So tired is he of performing this task for all those first year students of criminology at Buckinghamshire New University, he's come up with a radical idea -- accept the misspellings as variant spellings and move on with our lives.

Writing on the subject of trying to fight the rising tide of student misspellings in the Times Higher Education magazine, Smith offers his ten candidates for misspellings to just simply accept. The Daily Mail article doubles those ten to make it twenty common misspellings by university students. As Smith sees it, if judgement and judgment are accepted variant spellings why not arguement and argument? Or why not just allow the use of (your choice) que, cue or kew for queue? Smith seems really flummoxed by the time-honored "i before e except after c rule" and the Daily Mail's list reflects that nit with their/thier, weird/wierd and seize/sieze as being candidates for acceptable variant spellings.

All this seems radical or just caving to the lowest common denominator. Spelling is defined as "the writing of a word or words with all necessary letters and diacritics present in an accepted standard order." Thus allowing variant spellings violates the definition of spelling in addition to reducing standards. This was among the initial reaction to Smith's thesis in the magazine and even more so in the Daily Mail article. One commenter observed that correct spelling shows "attention to detail" and misuse and misspelling "betrays a sloppy mind." Another suggested that Smith be fired as any degree earned by any of his students is blemished by their inability to correctly "spell a five letter word like queue."

What's it to be? Do we accept the occasional misspelling as an honest, yet flawed, attempt to convey a thought or do we scold the culprit for having a sloppy mind? If we give in to the temptation to just accept the mistake, do we also forgive a history major for getting events and dates wrong? Would Dr. Smith accept less than precise work done by a criminologist because, well, he or she had the right idea but just expressed it wrong? Why stop with just 20 words? If you really want to go for the most frequent misspellings go to a dictionary to come up with at least 100 "potential variants." Should we just come up with some additions of our own to the master list, like the first commenter to the Daily Mail piece - STOOPID/stupid? Well, why not?

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, spelling, misspelling, university students, meaning, standards, variant spelling (all tags)

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hooked on phonics

gameCoder.

Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:20:09 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

If we are going to allow incorrect spellings like w i e r d, t h i e r, and s i e z e because they are "too hard" to spell, why not just go hog wild and allow only phonetic spellings for all words.  W e e r d, there and s e e z e would probably be easier to remember.  While we are at it, ditch the q, x, and the c (except in the case of ch) because they are totally useless letters.  Sure, it might take a while for the old fogies to get used to the new spellings, but at least English would start to make some more sense again.

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Re: hooked on phonics

skeptic.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:13:43 AM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

I don't agree that phonetic spelling would be needed in order for English to "make some more sense" as you put it; for those who really know the English language, bizarre though it is (no other language on Earth has such complicated spelling) the language does make sense.  The reason why English spelling is not already phonetic is because the spelling of a word in English doesn't just tell us how the word is supposed to be pronounced, it also reflects the history of that word, or as a linguist would say, its etymology (not to be confused with entomology, the study of insects).  And by understanding the history and derivation of the words that we use, we gain a fuller sense of their meaning.  

English, aside from its weird spelling, also has an enormously large vocabulary and innumerable synonyms which can be used to make very fine distinctions, and if we do not understand the history of the words we use, those fine distinctions would be lost upon us.  Poetry would not be as poetic, fiction wouldn't be as subtle, rhetoric wouldn't be as incisive; everything would be that much more simplistic.  This degradation of speech was even a factor in George Orwell's carefully crafted dystopia of 1984.  Corrupt or insane governments find it useful to govern a population that doesn't speak or think very clearly.  They are easier to deceive.

One could also argue that most people do not care about such things and would prefer to have a simpler language that is easier to use, although in practice, they do have a simpler language that is easier to use, which is the illiterate version of English.  But for those who aspire to intellectual accomplishments of a higher level, English in its correct form is very useful.

That is not to say that English in its present form is sacred and untouchable.  English is an ever-evolving language which changes every year (which is why Shakespeare sounds so odd).  But the changes have a certain logic to them.  They build on the language as it exists.  If we just don't like the complexity of English, there is always Esperanto.  

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Re: hooked on phonics

haumoana.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:18:25 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

The point about those particular words

Their, weird and seize is they are exceptions to the rule i before e except after c. But in all languages there are exceptions.

I also can't stand reading words spelt phonetically it takes me at least twice as long to work out what is meant.

But I do have one question for the fans of phonetic spelling. Accents. If we all started spelling phonetically would people with different accents spell words differently? Wouldn't this lead to a decrease in understandability? Therefore some standardisation of phonetic spelling would need to be agreed.

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Re: hooked on phonics

gameCoder.

Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 04:21:48 PM EST

none

I'd just like to point out that, particularly with regard to this story, it seems absurd to disallow a post just because of a misspelled word.

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I'm of two minds

JimmyHavok.

Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:30:47 PM EST

5.00 (astute, brilliant)

On the one hand, when I see misspellings in magazines or newspapers, it really irks me.  The editors of paid publications ought to have the skillz to spot both misspellings and homonyms, but it seems that in today's world, if it passes your computer's spellchecker, it's good to go.

On the other hand, out in the world, I don't see anything wrong with an occasional spelling error, and any college teacher who gets an anal cramp about spelling should move over to elementary school, the appropriate venue for teaching it.

I think that the use of search engines ought to have a corrective effect on spelling, since 1) if you spell it wrong you're not likely to find what you want, and 2) Google, at least, offers a gentle corrective in the way of "did you mean" with the questionable word underlined.

Search engines are a good argument in favor of correct spelling, since if your spelling is too quirky, no one is going to find your page except through an outside link.  If you don't care about being read, that's no problem...but why do the HTML if you don't care about being read?

Accepting variant spellings means that if you're looking for a keyword, either your search engine will have to be smart enough to look for the variants, or you'll have to try them.  Either way, you'll end up with a lot more garbage.

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Can't Spell?

keta.

Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:19:25 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Then you're not worth reading, IMHO.  We all can and most do forgive the odd spelling error.  But if I'm taking the time to read your shit, then you'd best have taken the the time to spell correctly, or your shit goes unread by me.  There's too much good stuff out there - spelled correctly - for me to be bothered that you couldn't be bothered.

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Re: Can't Spell?

delete me.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:20:15 AM EST

5.00 (informative, astute)

But do we rlleay need to konw how to splel? As lnog as ecah wrod has all of the rgiht letetrs, mnay of us can stlil raed tehm, rhigt?

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Time to move on

tomc.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 11:38:02 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

I think we should abandon writing and just use video.

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Spelling and Grammar Matters

skeeter1.

Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 01:45:54 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

I blame some of it on "texting".  There's even an online dictionary dedicated to it.  R U KUL, OR R U JST A CRB?  

I hate the shit myself, but I don't think it's going away anytime soon.  

I spent four years of my life working as a writer for one of the largest magazine at the time (1.4M issues/mo).  I worked my way up to Contributing Editor, because the senior editors knew they didn't have do anything with my copy.  The pay was quite good ($1/word), and there were other perks.  Flights from CLE to LGA were on the publisher's nickle and always upgraded to first-class, along with a limousine waiting for me.  That stint only lasted for four years, but I made enough to buy a house and my mid-life crisis sports car.  

Ignorance of the lingua franca is a sure way to keep yourself in poverty.  

I've got a fairly good grasp of English, but I'm currently trying to re-educate my self on Czech and Slovak, the languages of my ancestors.  I learn a few new words every day.  

I had an English teacher in high school, Lynne ("Sarge") Saunders, and she was one tough old gal.  She did, however, teach me a great deal about writing.  I owe her a debt of grattitude.

there's only one way to find out...

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Sarge Would Not Be Amused.

MayorBob.

Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 02:29:29 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

"I had an English teacher in high school, Lynne ("Sarge") Saunders, and she was one tough old gal.  She did, however, teach me a great deal about writing.  I owe her a debt of grattitude."

She probably wants you in detention.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Sarge Would Not Be Amused.

skeeter1.

Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 07:59:48 PM EST

none

"She probably wants you in detention."

Well, maybe she would have, but that was 40 years ago, and "Sarge" is pushing up daisies now.  God bless her for what she taught me.  I tend to remember the teachers I've had over the years, some for good reasons, some for bad, but "Sarge" was the best of the best!  Born in West Virginia, and I believe that's where she's planted now.  

Believe it or not, "Sarge" was a term of endearment.  She was a tough teacher, more so than any of the professors I had in college.  

At any rate, to make a long story short, Sarge put me on the editorial staff of the school newspaper.  A mid-sized school (~1000 students).  Great teachers like Sarge only come along once in a lifetime.  God bless every one of them.  

there's only one way to find out...

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Here's my two biggest misspelling nits.

MayorBob.

Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 03:30:45 PM EST

none

Payed for paid and loose for lose. Everytime I see those two goofs it gives me an industrial strength headache -- morans!

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Here's my two biggest misspelling nits.

wetkarma.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:20:01 AM EST

none

I'm more bothered by principal for principle myself.

That said language constantly evolves. I have a hard time understanding some cockney accents.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: Here's my two biggest misspelling nits.

ivyafire.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 03:25:08 PM EST

none

I'm more bothered by principal for principle myself.

Phase and faze make me cringe when they're mixed up.

I try not be bothered when people can't spell, but I can't see how it's any different than not noticing when someone calls Nebraska Kansas while looking at a US map.  Wrong is wrong whether it's spelling or geography.  I happen to suck at geography, so I use maps.  People who suck at spelling should acknowledge their weaknesses and use tools to help themselves, too.

"It was an ancient rule of Hawaiians that no one should hurt another bodily, or through theft of goods or through injury to feelings.These were the only sins."

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Re: Wee Kant Spel Two Guud Ennyhow, Sew Wee Shuld

ckm.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:02:16 AM EST

none

I don't understand.   All students writing papers are doing so on computers and all computers have spell checkers.

If it were me, I would ask students to submit all papers electronically.   If you submit a paper where there are tons of spell checker defined mistakes, then I would automatically grade you zero as you obviously can't even be bothered to right click on a word to fix the mistake.   Given that, why should I even care what you wrote?

Chris.

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Re: Wee Kant Spel Two Guud Ennyhow, Sew Wee Shuld

JimmyHavok.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:36:42 AM EST

none

why should I even care what you wrote?

Because, as a teacher, you're getting paid to care.

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Re: Wee Kant Spel Two Guud Ennyhow, Sew Wee Shuld

ckm.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:09:28 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

If you are a university student, e.g. not in a mandatory education environment, then the teachers role is knowledge transfer.    

If you can't even be bothered to use the tools at your disposal to do a basic sanity check on your work, then you are not interested in knowledge transfer, you're just lazy.   Ergo, you don't deserve a passing or any grade for that matter.    Just to be fair, I would make sure everyone understands this policy at the start of the class.

Chris.

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Re: Wee Kant Spel Two Guud Ennyhow, Sew Wee Shuld

JimmyHavok.

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:34:48 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Invariably, the college teachers I have had who made a big fuss about spelling were not very good.  And I do mean invariably, there was almost a linear relationship between concern with spelling and incompetence.

Of course, now we all have spell-check.  If you don't produce something that is at least a simulacrum of proper spelling, you're asleep at the keyboard.

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Spelling Hysteria Trumps Content

teaweed.

Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:54:18 PM EST

none

English professors should probably grade heavily for spelling. Regardless of subject, giving a zero for spelling errors is unreasonable, lazy, and crotchety (at best). Neglecting to run a spell checker is arguably indicative of immaturity and poor judgment, which leaves something to be desired in students and a lot to be desired in professors.

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