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Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

MayorBob.

Posted to Politics on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 07:40:17 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

It's normal for presidential campaigns to attempt to paint the opposition as misguided, inept, inexperience and unready to lead the nation. You'll even find campaigns seeing fit to paint opponents as reckless ideologues who would bring on nuclear annihilation. Or they'll be cast as reckless ideologues who would release dangerous sociopaths amongst us. But, it's pretty rare to find instances of campaigns who will come out and essentially charge the opposition with being in league with the devil. That, however, is what the Obama camp is accusing the McCain campaign of doing - by running an internet spot implying that Barack Obama is the anti-Christ.

The rumors have been out there for some time. They reached a point earlier this year that snopes.com issued a FALSE to rumors that Obama fit the description the Book of Revelations had given for the anti-Christ. But, with the launch of the spot The One, the McCain camp has raised the issue anew. According to the Democrats, the ad is nothing less than a full-fledged damnation of Obama. Eric Sapp, a Democratic Party consultant, distributed a memo analyzing the spot about which he says:

"Short of 666, they used every single symbol of the antichrist in this ad. There are way too many things to just be coincidence."
There's the official renaming of Obama as "the One" - a reference to the anti-Christ as presented in the "Left Behind" series of end times novels. There are similarities in style between the spot and the cover art for the books. There are snippets of Obama's speeches and interviews taken out of context making him seem free from doubt and ready to deliver mankind. Then there's Charlton Heston/Moses parting the Red Sea coupled with Obama telling a crowd "we are the change we've been waiting for." David Wilhelm, former Democratic National Committee chair, says that Obama's corner has no option but to respond to the spot. But the last time Obama responded to the celebrity ad he was quickly accused of playing the race card by McCain and followers.

McCain staffers got out ahead of the predicted Obama response by scoffing at the notion that the spot was anything more than good-natured fun being poked at Obama. Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesperson said the spot merely plays up the fact that Obama "gets carried away" at times when he speaks and it highlights "many audacious moments." Reverend Tim LaHaye, the author of the Left Behind series also discounts that the spot is accusing Obama of being the anti-Christ because the "antichrist isn't going to be an American, so it can't possibly be Obama ... he's going to be from an obscure place, like Romania."

The troubled relationship between John McCain and the rightwing evangelical Christian wing of the Republican Party is perhaps best exemplified by McCain's history with Reverend John Hagee. Thus, the latest spot might be a not too subtle pitch to those elements who might have been offended by McCain's snubbing of one of their own. As one observer noted, the really nice thing about internet spots like "The One" is that they can be more accurately aimed at the target audience through the miracle of email. But, surely, nobody really believes that Barack Obama, a sitting US Senator and presumptive Democratic Party nominee for president, is the anti-Christ -- sent to raise up the faithful and cast down the unbelievers, right? Apparently someone does.

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, Barack Obama, John McCain, anti-Christ, internet ad, end times, apocalypse, 2008 presidential elections, 2008 election (all tags)

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the humorless Left

gerrymander.

Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 08:01:49 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

Here's the thing: you can't get "Left Behind" anti-Christ imagery without using standard Christ imagery. According to the series*, Carpathia came clothed in the symbolism and outward appearance of a savior, which is why he was able to rise to power.

What that means for those of us who aren't living in the "Left Behind" universe (read: all of us) is that the McCain campaign is using Christ-like imagery and iconic film representations of miracles to play up the "Obama as messiah" angle reeking from his campaign and followers. In other words, it's sarcasm.

Leave it to the Democrats to not get the joke. But maybe I shouldn't complain; at least this once they're not calling the ad "racist."

* or at least the first book, which is all I could stomach.

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You raise an interesting point.

MayorBob.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:52:17 AM EST

none

That's the point about "all of us" not inhabiting the "Left Behind" universe.  I was raised a Methodist, attending Sunday School classes until I hit my teen years.  After I met my first wife, I began attending Catholic services.  Thus, I have over 50 years attendance at either Protestant or Catholic services and attendant bible study classes for youngsters.  I can't recall ever hearing as much as a word about the end times aspect of Christianity (which is obviously hid somewhere in the innards of the Book of Revelations).  Many people have heard about the end times and the Rapture and all the rest of those aspects of apocalyptic religious belief, but other than a few films and this book series, I really have heard very little.  This leaves me with a few questions:

  1.  What sort of Christian churches do teach about these things?

  2.  It's my rough understanding of these things that, when the Rapture occurs, all the good, God-fearing believers will be swept up into God's embrace.  Therefore, the only beings "left behind" will be sinners or non-believers.  Does this mean the book series is a thing of blasphemy as it tells about existence without those who believe in God or don't transgress?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: You raise an interesting point.

PenitenziAgite.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 01:24:55 AM EST

4.66 (informative, interesting)

The Rapture is considered a heresy by the Catholic and Orthodox churches, so the book series is heretical, not blasphemous.  

Those who remain after this event are faced with a choice, get right with God or be condemned to eternal hellfire.  At any rate, for an event drawn from fragments of disconnected bits of scripture, it has captured the imaginations of many, for whom the whole point of religious belief seems to be smug self-assuredness in the suffering and damnation of the other.

I attended a Catholic High School, and I once asked one of my religion teachers his thoughts on The Rapture.  His reply was that in general, eschatology is a distraction.  His opinion was that it led people away from being concerned about trying to make the world a better place, indeed, he thought it was insanely dangerous, as it leads to people believing that some people are beyond redemption, and therefore provides little incentive to try and work positively in the world.  He pointed out that Revelation was often left out of Catholic bibles, and we never studied it in New Testament class.  The Catholic church (and also the Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran and Orthodox traditions) regard revelation as being specifically about the persecution of the early Christians at the hands of the Romans.  He also pointed out that Revelation is basically a direct rip-off of the Old Testament book of Daniel.  

It should be noted that The Rapture is not described anywhere in Revelation or any of the pre-Christian prophetic books of the Old Testament.  It is derived mainly from a passage in I Thessalonians, which when read in context, plainly deals specifically with persecution at the time.

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Re: You raise an interesting point.

skeptic.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 09:28:05 AM EST

none

Every religious opinion is blasphemous to those who have substantially different religious opinions, so I am sure that the "Left Behind" books are considered blasphemous by many, although they are considered religiously inspired by many others.  As an atheist I don't worry about such things as blasphemy, which is an imaginary offense against an imaginary deity.

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I understand that skeptic.

MayorBob.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 09:55:17 AM EST

none

But the "Left Behind" series isn't targeted at atheists (such as yourself) or agnostics. They appear to be aimed at those who profess some sort of fundamental Protestant beliefs (and not necessarily some of the mainstream Protestant beliefs). Thus, if their target audience are those who are convinced the only right path in life would lead them to join all the truly virtuous at God's side when the Rapture occurs, what could they find interesting enough about a book purporting to tell things from the perspective of someone who is left behind (and therefore one of the damned)? I can't imagine that the series would be much of a page-flipping experience for those who don't believe this nonsense.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: I understand that skeptic.

T Slothrop.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 12:53:58 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

What sort of Christian churches do teach about these things?

Old-style Evangelicals, Pentecostals, etc. used to be the only ones who put any credence in that Rapture/Armageddon crap whatsoever. However starting in the late 1970s/early 80s, the Southern Baptist Convention started its massive drift to the far right of the theological spectrum, and suddenly you started hearing this wacko nonsense in churches where it would have been considered either heresy or comedy (or maybe both) just a decade or so before. Also about this same time began the rise of the so-called suburban mega-churches. Usually "non-denominational", many if not most of them had enough ties to Evangelical movements that a literal reading of Revelations was part of their package. So yeah you have a situation where something that was a fringe concept at best in 1950 had become accepted dogma by 15% or maybe even a little more of the population by the end of the century.

Scary.

But in this particular instance I think gerrymander has it more correct. This is the McCain camp poking sarcastic fun at Obama's messianic treatment by the MSM and the Democrat Party more than some literal shot at convincing Evangelicals that Obama carries the Mark of the Beast.

Or at least I hope so.

{Insert amusing quotation here}

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English as a second language

T Slothrop.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 02:30:36 PM EST

none

I used some form of "start" three f'ing times in one sentence. Jesus maybe we DO need an edit function...

{Insert amusing quotation here}

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Re: I understand that, skeptic.

skeptic.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 02:18:39 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

First of all, recall the "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis, a book of theological essays in the form of letters from a fictitious demon named Screwtape.  So yes, it is possible to express your religious ideas by writing from the viewpoint of your (real or imagined) antagonist.

Secondly, the "Left Behind" series is indeed not much of a page-turner for those who do not buy the premise.  The sole enjoyment which these books offer is to the anticipation which some people feel, of their own massive vindication when Judgment Day arrives and God metes out rewards and punishments.  The fact that these books have sold in such large numbers shows how deluded the American public is, God help them.

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The teachers

Lou.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 02:10:38 PM EST

none

Here's a list of Christian Zionists.

But this is a puzzler for me.  These folks want the world to come so they get to hang with God and Jesus while the rest of us are fucked...at least for 7 years or so.  Now, how do the Jews fit in this.  Are they stuck here during the Sufferin' Times?  Will Haggee, Delay, Robertson, et al shout down to the Jews from Heaven, "Hey suckas...thanks for the help har har har"?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: The teachers

thefadd.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 06:28:20 PM EST

none

Will Haggee, Delay, Robertson, et al shout down to the Jews from Heaven, "Hey suckas...thanks for the help har har har"?

Yes.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

harzerkatze.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 03:48:07 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Almost OT, but this really cracks me up:

the "antichrist isn't going to be an American, so it can't possibly be Obama ... he's going to be from an obscure place, like Romania."
Oh, of course, because the US is the center of the universe. Always was, especially when the bible was written. Anyplace out of the US, that's obscure (Romania? Do they even have Starbucks there?), but never the US.

Americans are soooo funny sometimes.

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Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

thefadd.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 06:30:19 PM EST

none

You know who is Romanian? McCain.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Alternate Headline: McCain gets desperate.

logan.

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 11:17:59 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, funny)

How desperate is John McCain? His strategy is to claim that Obama is too popular.

On a certain level this might resonate with a specific audience. The idea would be to scare the far-right into voting for McCain because Obama is so freakin' popular that he'll...(shudder)...win. It's important to remember that while claiming that Obama is the Antichrist seems laughable to us, there is a serious chunk of America who believe that:

a) There is an Antichrist waiting in the wings
b) America could not survive another Clinton in the White House. Really. They don't think it would suck, they really do believe that the Republic would fold if Hillary took office. I've met these people and they really exist.
c) John McCain is too liberal to be trusted but may have to be suffered in order to keep us safe from Terrorists and Communists.

McCain's ad, as hilariously desperate as it seems, isn't aimed at us. It's aimed at people who read www.raptureready.com and regard it as a valuable news source. It might well resonate with some of them. I don't imagine it'll resonate with real biblical scholars, as the Antichrist is supposed to rise from the east and Chicago isn't exactly the mysterious east. It'll take some tortured logic to make that one stick.

Interestingly, while researching the signs of the Antichrist I found far more things that remind me of George W. Bush than Obama. I'll leave the bulk of the list to be a silly pointless exercise for the reader. There is one, however, that stood out for me:

From the first book of Timothy, Chapter 4, Verse 3:

They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

First off, let's get the translation right. Considering the number of Bibles there are, all claiming to be the literal word of god, and the dangers inherent in translating from Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek then English, we oughta check the various translations to see if this is an orphan translation or consensus. For all we know, "foods" might be a mistranslation of a word that originally meant "feasts" or "baked goods" or "pie". Scripture.com shows us a few dozen translations from various sources and above translation seems pretty accurate. Let's accept it.

Turning to the current political environment, one would have to look for Obama's statements and beliefs on diet to see if he qualifies. Dude's pretty thin. Maybe he's a vegetarian. I checked around and found only one article claiming that Obama is a vegetarian, going so far as to say that they have a video of him announcing that he'd gone completely vegan. I'll save you all the trouble of watching the video: it's just another Rickroll prank. Obama isn't a vegetarian or a vegan. Clearly the man watches what he eats, but vegan he is not. I don't recall him saying much on the issue of diet except as it relates to health care. It's a non-starter.

This brings us to the intriguing part of the verse: "They forbid marriage". Of the two main political camps, the Democrats and the Republicans, who's done the most to prevent marriage? Who's worked the hardest to forbid couples to marry? As separate groups, which one claims marriage is the bedrock of American society and must be strongly limited and which one leans towards "It's none of the government's business who gets married"? Decision: Bush.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things

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Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

logan.

Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:09:41 PM EST

5.00 (funny, astute)

Please.

No one believes that Obama will solve all the world's problems. Even the man himself doesn't believe that. I would be deeply uncomfortable granting power to anyone who thought they were the way and the light and the one true path to perfection. The assumption that you know all and those who doubt or disagree with your perfect vision leads directly to dictatorship.

The thing is, Obama is our best shot right now at pulling us out of the downward spiral of the last 7 years. A Democratically controlled House, Senate and White House would provide a chance to roll back some of damage that the Republican party has done to America since 2000 and lay the groundwork for fixing some of the GOP's long-term fuckups. Obama's mantra, "Hope", is the right word for the time. After 7 years of the Republican party's fearmongering, we are hoping Obama can make things better.

I have no illusions that by 5pm on January 21st, 2009 Obama will have brought a Utopian golden age with all the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan, universal quality health care for all Americans, an electric car in every garage fueled by solar and wind power, a balanced budget, zero national debt, an end to racism, schools so good that inner city junior high school students will argue amongst themselves about parallels between the cadences of Shakespeare's sonnets and Bach's cantatas while tending the organic gardens they've planted on their rooftops and Paris Hilton will reveal that she is actually Andy Kaufman in disguise and her entire career as a public figure has been the greatest, most elaborate prank in the history of the world. Obama doesn't have much pull with Andy so that'll take a second term.

My hope is that the Democrats have learned from the Republicans. I hope that they've learned that when you have all the power you get all the blame, that when you claim all who dissent are traitors you don't have much room for error and that it's hypocrisy and cover ups that bring you down in the end. You can't blackmail Barney Frank by threatening to out him because he's out already. Mark Foley, on the other hand, was a crusader against child abuse who liked young boys. Newt Gingrich railed against Bill Clinton's alleged extra-marital affair until it was revealed that Newt was doing the exact same thing. And the issue with the dismissal of the US Attorneys wasn't that they were fired, it was that members of the Bush administration lied about the reasons for the dismissals and tried to cover the whole thing up instead of just coming clean about a relatively minor affair.

My hope is that the Democrats and specifically Obama have learned to be forthright and aboveboard and that they really mean it when they say they want to change Washington. We've got a real chance to make things better. I hope that the Democrats see what the GOP did when they had the same chance and refuse to make the same mistakes.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Christians, do your duty!

Lou.

Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:23:40 PM EST

none

The Anti-Christ is here.  The End Times are upon us.  Help bring them about.

OBAMA '08!

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Dark Corners

profwhat.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 07:37:26 PM EST

none

How stupid do you think fundamentalist Christians are?  OK, OK, wait a second before you take advantage of that obvious set-up.  Here is a line from the memo laying out the case that the ad was a dog-whistle to fundamentalists:

Even the chosen format as an internet ad allows for it to blasted out to targeted religious populations that will immediately recognize its significance and forward it on to others in their community so that the whispers and innuendo can continue in dark corners outside the scrutiny of the general public who would be horrified by such tactics.
In this view, the "religious populations" will accept the YouTube video as the Gospel; they will take the streaming flv video as not just satire or opinion but as a convincing argument.  It comes from the McCain campaign, so it must be right!  Everyone knows fundamentalists worship McCain and look to his campaign videos for religious guidance.  That's why they abandoned Huckabee for him so easily.

These "populations," after seeing the video, will "immediately recognize its significance."  Yes, whereas you, I, and the rest of the sane world need a Democratic consultant to point this stuff out to us, the antichrist references are so plain that these "populations" will pick up on them right away, because they eat, drink, and sleep the Book of Relevations.  You might ask: wouldn't people that attuned to the sport of Antichrist-watching have already considered the question of Obama's antichristness for themselves?  No, silly; the "religious populations" under discussion here do not think for themselves.  Religious people never do, remember?

You might ask, then: why haven't I met these folks?  We are provided the answer: they do not live among us, but in "dark corners," and not just dark corners, but "dark corners outside the scrutiny of the general public."  Oh!  No wonder I have never seen these antichrist-obsessed McCain-worshipping fundamentalist "populations:" they are outside my scrutiny!  

Memos like these tell us nothing about "The One" and even less about how religious people perceive the 2008 campaign.  They do illustrate, however, a disturbing elitism in the purest sense of the term--a belief that the writer is set apart from gullible multitudes lacking in the most basic form of common sense.  Underlying this is the notion that religious people are stupid to begin with, so that they are now just clay in the hands of clever strategists who need only drop a few references to convince them that Obama is the Beast.  Funny, I thought Obama's famous 2004 convention speech was about ending stupid divisions like that.

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Clay of my clay

Lou.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

so that they are now just clay in the hands of clever strategists who need only drop a few references to convince them that Obama is the Beast.  Funny, I thought Obama's famous 2004 convention speech was about ending stupid divisions like that.

We're talking about the same folks that poured money in the Oral Roberts coffers because he saw a 900 foot tall Jesus?

Are we talking about the people led by Dobson's Focus on the Family and their "successful" boycott of Ford and McDonalds to end their support of the homosexual agenda?

Are we talking about the same people that supported Tammy Faye and Jim, and Jimmy, and Pat and and and...?  It's not too great a leap to think that a person who sent off little Timmy's college fund to help a guy who sees The Monster Jesus would be clay in the right hands.

Also, Here's where you can find the whole memo in context.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Clay of my clay

profwhat.

Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:48:55 AM EST

none

Yes, there have been gullible Christians in the past.  (And yes, arguably "gullible Christian" is redundant).  But it doesn't follow that they are all moldable sheep waiting to bleat based on the next McCain web ad.  Give these people some credit; they saw past Mitt Romney, didn't they?

Besides, it's not really fair to make generalizations about an entire group based on what some members of that group did in the past.  Someone could just as easily do this for, say, Democrats.  "Are we talking about the same people who thought character didn't matter when they elected Bill Clinton?  Are we talking about the same people who nominated Dukakis?"

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Re: Clay of my clay

Lou.

Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:49:17 AM EST

none

Yes, there have been gullible Christians in the past.

In the past?  Actually, I wouldn't go so far as to use the word gullible.  Gullible implies a sort of good natured ignorance that goes away once experience and facts come into play.  I think these ads might have been focused on the gullible in the short term...but I think more that they were directed to the willfully ignorant.  The "God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It" crowd.

Also, agreed somewhat about Clinton...yet I don't think Clinton's detractors trotted out a pimp my bible version of his place in history...or at least not many.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Let me see if I have it straight

JimmyHavok.

Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:52:20 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

These fundamentalist tools, willing to be persuaded that Obama is the Antichrist are a completely imaginary population.  However, there are credulous multitudes who believe that Obama will bring us the solution to every problem.

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Re: Dark Corners

port1080.

Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 09:22:46 PM EST

none

You might ask, then: why haven't I met these folks? I don't have to ask, I've met them. If you saw some of the crap that my aunt credulously forwards me, you'd have a much lower opinion of the intelligence of the religious right. She regularly forwards me e-mails about how we must save Israel, because the Rapture can't come if the Jews don't occupy Jerusalem. She's the sort of person that would see the cues in this ad and have "Obama's the Anti-Christ!" pop right in her head. And then I'd get an e-mail about it.

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