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Four Pennies For Your Thoughts.

MayorBob.

Posted to Business on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:42 AM EST (promoted by wetkarma). RSS.

What purpose is served by a unit of currency almost too small to matter?  That's was the gist of a conversation we had earlier this year when a personage as powerful as the Secretary of the Treasury commented the penny was "worth less than any other currency."  Well, it looks like Henry Paulson has changed his mind, or at least hears the sentiments of the rabble out there, because the penny will be around for some time to come.  As a matter of fact, next Presidents Day the US Mint is introducing four new designs for the penny as it issues another 5 to 6 billion or so into circulation.

The head on the coin remains the same.  The tail of the coin will have four new designs, each intended to honor Abraham Lincoln.  Each new design will honor a chapter in Lincoln's life: birth and childhood; formative years in Indiana (railsplitting Abe); professional life in Illinois (waggishly referred to as Zombie Lincoln); and Saving the Union Abe (with a half-finished Capitol building).

The issuance of the new designs marks both the bicentennial of Lincoln's birth and the centennial of the first Lincoln penny.  According to US Mint Director Ed Moy, the "designs represent the first change in the Lincoln cent in half a century."  The economics of minting all those pennies remains the same; it still costs about 1.4 cents to produce a single penny.  This means the proposed 2009 run of (US)$60 million worth of pennies will cost $84 million to produce, leading LA Times to ask a terse, cogent question - why?  But, coin collecting is still popular and new coins never fail to excite those who save them.  Plus, there's the thought that the new versions might spark interest in the hobby.  Finally, there's a solid body of opinion out there that doing away with the penny might tangentially be a slam at Lincoln, whom we should all revere as "one of the greatest US presidents."  Whatever the rationale, even Secretary Paulson admits "I don't think it's politically doable to eliminate the penny."

Tags: written by MayorBob, currency, Abraham Lincoln, penny, Lincoln bicentennial (all tags)

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Chuckle

Lou.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:02:30 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Lincoln was a Republican...there's a log cabin on one of the pennies.  Log Cabin Republicans...get it?  More proof of the gay agenda at work.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Another penny, another chuckle.

MayorBob.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:06:04 AM EST

none

That half torn-apart Capitol on the final penny in the series -- could that be emblematic of what Bush has managed to do to this country?

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Four Pennies For Your Thoughts.

Bryan Bytehead.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:19:09 AM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

"worth less than any other currency."

I was thinking of the South African Rand, of which a nickle (.05) would be worth less (2/3 of a cent).  But come to think of it, they do have pennys (the only place I saw this was at the grocery store, Pick and Pay, everybody else rounds (down) to the dime).

And then there's the neighbor to the north of ZA, Zimbabwe, which last time I saw was a few hundred thousand to the dollar.  Definitely more today.

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Re: Four Pennies For Your Thoughts.

strangeluck.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:05:09 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

Finally, there's a solid body of opinion out there that doing away with the penny might tangentially be a slam at Lincoln, whom we should all revere as "one of the greatest US presidents."

So do away with the penny and put Lincoln on a new 50 cent coin. Also, while we're at it, let's get rid of those pesky dollar bills. With all the financial problems this country is having, it's crazy that we're not taking advantage of these kinds of easy ways to save money.

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inflation and the penny

skeptic.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:42:04 AM EST

none

There was a time when a penny had real value.  Inflation eats away at that value every year, which it has been doing relentlessly for centuries.  Now we have the problem that it costs more to manufacture a penny than the penny is worth.  One solution is to abolish the penny.  Another would be to devalue the currency.  The US could issue a new dollar, along with new coinage to go along with it, all of which could be valued at ten times the value of the existing currency.  There would be a certain transition period during which people can exchange their old currency for new (although collectors can of course keep as much old currency as they want, for their collection).  After that, only the new currency is honored.  Bank accounts and other purely electronic currency could be adjusted automatically.

We might expect that this is only a temporary solution since inflation continues to happen, but that doesn't really matter.  If the US has to issue a new currency once a century so that the buying power remains in the kind of range that we want, that is not too much of a burden.  It also gives the US the chance to periodically introduce new security features that will make currency harder to counterfeit.  It might make coin collecting or bill collecting more interesting.  And it's good for vending machine operators.

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Re: inflation and the penny

joshv.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:40:18 AM EST

none

That sort of thing is only done in the case of hyperinflation, when inflation has become so bad you need to push around wheelbarrows full of cash to pay for a loaf of bread.

Also, from a practical standpoint, what you suggest would be nearly impossible.  It would take an almost Y2K type effort to convert existing payroll and other other transactional systems that handle US dollars.

Further, given the electronic nature of most transactions, there would be little need to re-denominate even after hyperinflation.  So much is handled electronically that it won't matter if a loaf of bread costs $1,000,000 - just swipe your card and punch in your pin.  Your salary might be a couple trillion a year, but it's just bits and bytes, who cares?

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skeptic.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:47:40 AM EST

none

Electronic payroll transactions are all well and good, but you're forgetting the vending machines, which still use coins.  Won't someone think of the vending machines?  They're often used by children, you know.

I really see no hard and fast rule that requires us to devalue the currency only in cases of hyper-inflation.  Anyway, if we consider the total change in the value of American currency since the time it was introduced in the 18th century, it has by now been hyper-inflated.

As for the tremendous difficulty of making the switch, calling for a Y2K type effort, so much the better.  This will create jobs.  

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Re: inflation and the penny

joshv.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:14:04 PM EST

4.00

Think of the children indeed.  Don't they all have cell-phones these days anyway?  Haven't those clever Japanese figured out how to pay vending machines with a cell phone?  There we go - problem solved - no need for a backpack full of Susan B's to buy your Fritos at lunch.

I am not saying hyper-inflation is a requirement, it's just that re-denomination has only been done so far in an attempt to stabilize a currency that has hyper-inflated.  As for the definition of hyper-inflation, it typically requires a time component.  1000%/century is quite a bit different than 1000%/year.

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skeptic.

Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:46:38 AM EST

none

Yes, with suitably high-tech vending machines, the low value of coins ceases to be an impediment.  And perhaps that is the way of the future.  With an all electronic currency, the problem of the penny, and many other types of problems will disappear.  Money will just be a number, not a physical object of any kind.

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port1080.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:58:31 AM EST

none

Now we have the problem that it costs more to manufacture a penny than the penny is worth. I don't really see why this is a "problem", except in the sense that people might take pennies and melt them down for the metals (which I've heard some anecdotal reports that it happens occasionally, but it is already against the law and I can't see that it would really be a major problem unless the value of the metals was multiple times the face value of the penny). Currency now is just a place holder for value - it's not supposed to have any intrinsic worth. In this sense, pennies are probably still "cheaper" than paper money, because coinage lasts quite a bit longer in circulation than paper money does (so the Treasury gets more "bang for the buck" in terms of how often it needs to replace that value holder).

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Re: inflation and the penny

skeptic.

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:11:50 AM EST

none

I will admit that the disparity between manufacturing cost and face value isn't in itself a serious problem, although it does cost the taxpayers money unnecessarily.  But then, as government expenses go, this is minor.  The real problem is that it is annoying even to be using coins of such low value.  Either paying or receiving pennies, carrying them around, saving them up in jars, all seem fairly pointless when they have so little worth.  It's some kind of meaningless ritual into which we are all recruited against our will, by being forced to constantly handle a denomination that we would rather dispense with.  It only makes our already meaningless lives seem all the more meaningless.

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