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Soccer Mom's Heat Draws Heat

pO157.

Posted to Politics on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:47:37 PM EST (promoted by DEMachina). RSS.

Mr. Lebowski, this is Bell Salnicker with the Lebanon, PA Soccer League and I just got a, an informal report, that a parent from your team,  uh, Melanie Hain, carried a legally registered and permitted firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league.

On September 11th, a soccer mom drew the ire of soccer league officials and the referee. Her offense? Carrying a legally owned Glock 26 in a holster while on the sidelines. The soccer mom, Melanie Hain, was surprised because carrying a pistol openly in Pennsylvania is not a crime (outside of Philadelphia) and furthermore, Ms. Hain had a permit to carry her weapon concealed if she so chose. Charlie Jones, a youth soccer coach and county public defender, stated that he approached Ms. Hain because several parents were "upset" about seeing her pistol and asked her to move away to a more remote part of the sidelines.

In a later interview, Mr. Jones stated he did not believe Ms. Hain was breaking any laws by carrying openly and simply asked her to move away to calm the other parents. There was no call to the police and no confrontation. Ms. Hain states she always carries her pistol openly and has never had a problem before.

Unfortunately, the problem did not end there. A few days later Ms. Hain received a piece of correspondence from the soccer association stating she would not be welcome at any other events were she armed. Nigel Foundling, the soccer association representative and a former judge, also notified her that the police had been called on her because she wore a gun to the game. Ms. Hain took particular exception to one statement in his letter. He stated, "A responsible adult would realize that such behavior has no place at a soccer game."

She ignored the e-mail.

"After I received the e-mail, I continued to carry. Because they play on public property, they are not allowed to prevent me from carrying even though they are a private organization. [...] Nigel seems to think he could throw his weight around and pick on me even though he is not a judge anymore."

This situation lead to a nastygram (pdf) from the Lebanon County Sheriff. Sheriff Deleo mentioned that several people who saw her weapon during the game were "upset" and further went along to revoke her pistol permit as he found her to be "an individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a dangerous manner to public safety."

When contacted by the newspaper, the Sheriff stated that he took away her permit because he wanted to bring public attention to the matter and was not allowed to impound her firearm.

"I felt some action was needed, and I do believe that something like this should be brought to the public's attention so the public is aware of what took place. The public has the right to complain about the issue, and if the Legislature wants to do something, then so be it."

Ms. Hain is appealing the revocation in court. Until then she continues to carry her weapon openly.

Tags: written by pO157, edited by DEMachina, politics, law, pennsylvania, guns, weapon, carry, gun rights, soccer mom (all tags)

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DEMachina.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28:51 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

It'll be interesting to see what comes of this in light of Heller.  The sheriff revoking her concealed-carry permit is a bit much, and it was entirely political: he just wanted to seem like he was doing something (and he basically admitted as much).

Unfortunately public perception of people who carry guns is that they're automatically a dangerous nutjob, when that probably isn't necessarily the case for a given person.  If she jumped through the hoops necessary to get a concealed-carry permit, she's probably the last person you need to worry about.

That said, I do wonder why she carried openly and not concealed.  I agree it shouldn't matter, and I think the sheriff was out of line, but I am curious about her motives (but purely out of curiosity, not because I think it matters as long as she wasn't planning on going postal).

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pO157.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:21:23 PM EST

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In light of Heller, I for one, am surprised that the NRA or whoever has not taken the initiative to start suing the restrictive states to change their permitting laws. I mean, when you have to use a middleman to navigate the bureaucracy to get permission to buy a firearm (at least in the Empire State) well, that's a bit bad.

Personally, I'd settle for the cops revoking the pistol permits of the thugs that mug people in front of their home and then shoot them anyway because they were dissatisfied with the amount of cash the victim was carrying.

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DEMachina.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:49:06 PM EST

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Well, Heller seemed to be focused more on the right to keep guns in the home for protection; I don't recall it addressing concealed-carry laws.  Still, it has been established that people have a right to own a weapon for self defense.

I think the bigger issue is how incongruous the sheriff's actions are with her conduct.

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pO157.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:59:42 PM EST

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Ehh, my comment was probably a bit poorly written. In some states (NY at least) you need to apply for a gun permit before you even buy a pistol. Then it will take 6-9 months (or more) before they process your application and you can be arbitrarily denied. So yeah.

Oh, and that sheriff needs to get voted out of office. Even with the area around Harrisburg reportedly becoming more and more liberal I imagine he pissed off a bunch of his right leaning constituents.

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delete me.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:36:34 AM EST

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To be honest, her countenance made me disinclined to mess with her even before I scrolled down to see the gun.

First paragraph threw me off, but I notice that the youth league's constitution and bylaws as of June 2008 doesn't have anything about weapons or behaviour in it. A holstered gun isn't menacing, no-one freaks if a cop has a holstered pistol. I don't see why this person needs to have special rules impressed on her that aren't part of the state law, and unless there are league rules concerning weapons at games, the league should leave her alone.

If the league does have those sort of rules, then a simpler thing to do would be to kick her kids out of the league.

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pO157.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:22:26 AM EST

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First paragraph threw me off.

It was a reference to the Big Lebowski, wherein Walter Sobchak pulls a firearm during league play after taking umbrage to an alleged foul on the part of Smokey.

The first paragraph was a copy of the limp-wristed league response to the offense in the movie, with the details changed to reflect the soccer mom's situation. The intro could have been done better, but I was in a rush as always. Off topic: If anybody wants to get me a Christmas/Kwanzaa/Flag Day gift you can always pick me up a "Mark It Zero" t-shirt or something off Cafe Press.

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Lou.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:43:24 AM EST

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Agreed about the rules and such.  However, cops, no matter how corrupt, as least looked tightly laced and professional.  This lady...not so much.  However, if I were a parent at such a game, I wouldn't freak out...but I would tell my kid to be careful and not to foul her kid.

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pO157.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:12:54 AM EST

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Now, I don't carry around a pistol with me all the time (or ever), but I have to wonder why she didn't just carry it concealed since she had the right to do so? Nobody would have seen it, so nobody would have cared.

That said, this whole situation is ridiculous. She was within her rights to pack heat at the game, and unless she was actually threatening somebody with the gun then there should be no issue.

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benminer.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 at 10:49:28 AM EST

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"legally registered ... firearm"???? There is no gun registration in PA and so it is impossible for a gun to be "legally registered".  If you don't believe me call up your local or state police and ask them how one goes about registering a gun.

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