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New Grading System: Half Right or Completely Wrong?

port1080.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:28:15 PM EST (promoted by DEMachina). RSS.

The city school district in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania recently implemented a new grading policy.  Teachers no longer have complete leeway in giving grades - the minimum score that can be marked is now just 50%.

The policy was instituted with the goal of making sure students always have a reasonable chance to make up for previous mistakes, catch up, and pass the class. The district argues that this policy still holds students accountable:

"A failing grade is a failing grade," district spokeswoman Ebony Pugh said.

At the same time, they said, the 50 percent minimum gives children a chance to catch up and a reason to keep trying. If a student gets a 20 percent in a class for the first marking period, Ms. Pugh said, he or she would need a 100 percent during the second marking period just to squeak through the semester.

"We want to create situations where students can recover and not give up," she said, adding a sense of helplessness can lead to behavior and attendance problems.

Of course, not everyone favors the new policy.  District resident and retired Home Economics teacher Judy Leonardi questioned the decision, arguing that
[Students could] walk in the door, breathe the air and get 50 percent for that...I don't think it sets kids up properly for college, for competition in life...To me, it's morally wrong.
Opponents of the policy additionally argue that students who receive such low scores need to receive extra attention to make sure they're capable of doing the work, instead of being allowed to benefit from a policy that allows them to scrape along doing the bare minimum.  They cite as an alternative the policies of some local charter schools, which don't give out failing grades at all, but rather require students to resubmit their work until it reaches an acceptable level of quality.

As Pittsburgh is not alone in implementing a minimum 50% policy, this is a debate which is likely to continue for some time.

Tags: written by Port1080, edited by DEMachina, schools, education, public policy (all tags)

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Modified From the Q.

pO157.

Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:58:26 AM EST

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They have this here. It leads to kids getting 70%s or whatever for 3 quarters. For the fourth quarter they never show up to school since 70, 70, 70, 50 / 4 = 65% and that is the minimum passing grade. Instead they enroll in "Life experiences Internship 101" for that spring 4th quarter which appears to mostly consist of shooting each other and hassling law abiding citizens when they should be in school. And then we end up having to pay the consequences when they flunk out or get a job. I wish the kids would put the thought and effort into school or work that they do in avoiding it.

No work? Get a zero. That's how it should be.

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mmm this sorta makes sense

wetkarma.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:57:57 AM EST

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A minimum 50% policy makes some sense to me. Here's why:

 Say you have a multiple choice exam of 100 questions - you have an error bandwith around 10 points (sometimes less) to get an A (90-100). Very similar for B, C, and D.

However for failure, you have a 59 point pool to try and wade out of. What this means is that for any particular exam you fail, that failure is going to disproportionally affect other graded material*. The system in other words is weighted towards getting an F.

[OT: I typed all that up and THEN read the USA today article which makes the same exact point..bah]

The true solution of course is to do away with the numbers (which is what is provoking the shenanigans in the first place) and utilize letter grade averaging instead i.e. an F is an F regardless of how 'F' it is.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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no, I don't understand

delete me.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:31:24 AM EST

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Why are people making arguments based on statistics when the reason passing grades are at least 60% is to facilitate learning competent skills and gaining useful amounts of knowledge?

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Re: no, I don't understand

wetkarma.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:39:44 AM EST

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Why are people making arguments based on statistics when the reason passing grades are at least 60% is to facilitate learning competent skills and gaining useful amounts of knowledge?

Indeed I agree with you that the purpose is to facilitate learning competent skills and gaining useful knowledge. Testing is not learning. Testing is checking to see whether something has been learnt. If the test itself acts as an incentive to not learn, then the test is impeding the critical learning function and needs to be adapted to support it.

The argument here is that when someone gets a 'low' F and has little possibility of passing the class, then there is no incentive to keep trying in the class. The counter argument is that people will exert minimal effort to pass.

On balance I think preserving an incentive for those who want to keep trying/learning is worth it.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: mmm this sorta makes sense

port1080.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 08:28:05 AM EST

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The true solution of course is to do away with the numbers (which is what is provoking the shenanigans in the first place) and utilize letter grade averaging instead i.e. an F is an F regardless of how 'F' it is.

I tend to agree with you.  I'm teaching some classes right now (granted, college classes, so the kids are much less likely to completely flake out), and my policy is that as long as the student turns in the work (even if it's late) he/she will get at least a 50%.  I do think, though, that if the student doesn't do the work at all that it's valid to give him or her a 0%.  This ensures that students will at the very least do all the work (even if they can't or won't do it well), and also means that if they hit a rough patch for some reason at some point they still have a chance to fix things up for the rest of the semester and get back in the game.  So far I haven't had anyone try to take advantage of me, but I've only taught two classes...  If people did start to abuse the system outrageously, I'd probably have to re-think it, but for now it seems to work.

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the chance to succeed

skeptic.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:44:09 AM EST

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In my opinion, there is another way to give students a chance to succeed, other than to award them a higher grade than they have actually earned.  They can take that class again, or if necessary, they could take an entire school year again.  That is the old-fashioned way of giving students another chance.

So, what if students do so poorly in the first half of the year that it becomes impossible for them to pass in the second half?  Let such students use the time to prepare themselves to do better, the next time they take that course.  They'll have twice as much time to study the material as the regular students have.  Alternatively, their excessively low test results in the first half of the year may mean that they really do not care if they pass or fail, and that they have no interest in the subject, and perhaps they are only in school to avoid being arrested for truancy.  In such cases, the free 50% grade is wasted upon them.  They will still fail.  

But then, why keep them in the class?  It's boring for them and probably disruptive for the other students.  The solution (which I have suggested in previous discussions) is to have a computer game room in the school, in which students who are not interested in studying can amuse themselves and perhaps improve their hand-eye coordination.  It will help keep them off the streets.

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Re: New Grading System: Half Right or Completely W

Looper.

Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:51:41 PM EST

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Surely the intent of this program could be better met by another marking approach?  

This scheme is wide open for abuse, and really disincentivizes showing up for the last quarter, as noted by a previous poster.  

If the goal is to allow students a chance to recover and learn the material and pass the course despite poor results in the first bit, why not use the marking strategy that got used at my junior high and high school:  your final mark is the higher of a weighted average of your results on schoolwork and tests throughout the year, or your score on the final.  

Even a fair number of my university courses worked like this.

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pO157.

Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:26:54 AM EST

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A fair number of universities also have something called "Academic Bankruptcy" where all of your old grades are voided (although they still appear on your record) and you start over with a new GPA.

I doubt many people are going to have a life changing experience in the middle of a course which shows them the error of their ways.

 your final mark is the higher of a weighted average of your results on schoolwork and tests throughout the year, or your score on the final.  

Also, we had this in some courses. But don't they use this almost extensively in some other countries? I knew this girl that exchanged over to Australia for a year, and she said it was wall to wall parties during the semester, but once finals came around everybody studied their butts off because that was the one thing that mattered.

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