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Do Zombies Poop?

logan.

Posted to Diary on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:08:05 AM EST. RSS.

There I was, sitting in another long boring meeting trying to look interested and thoughtful when I came up with this question: do zombies poop? While I do have a streak of social terets and a deeply ingrained self-sabotage program, I kept it to myself. Sadly, when something like this comes up I generally can't remove it from my mind without voicing it somewhere. That's where you lucky people come in. Here's what I've got so far.

The key to the problem is how the zombie was reanimated. A real-life zombie (someone who has been exposed to Tetrodotoxin and Dartura) would definitely poop as they aren't dead. They are simply someone who thinks they have died because of the near-death state brought on by the Tetrodotoxin and the dissociative will-sapping effects of the Dartura. Ergo, they need to eat and eventually nature will take its course.

The modern zombie is almost completely the invention of George Romero and god bless him for it. The archetype was laid down in Night of the Living Dead with the only canonic changes being the use of the term "zombie" (Romero called them "ghouls" in Night of the Living Dead and began using "zombie" in Dawn of the Dead) and the specific preference for brains as opposed to any human flesh (introduced in Dan O'Bannon's Return of the Living Dead). If we're going to pick one source and call it canon, it's going to be the original Romero trilogy (not the remakes that had fast zombies). OK, moving on.

In a zombie brain the limbic system must still be mostly functional because they can walk and eat and there's a certain amount of residual memory at work. How much brain function remains post-reanimation may be related to the amount of physical damage to the brain, but there are other factors at work. While the zombies in Dawn of the Dead were hypothesized to return to the shopping mall because it was a place that was important to them in life (no, no social commentary there), the zombie "Bub" in Day of the Dead was able to recognize and use basic objects (razor, comb, gun) but recognize Captain Rhodes as a military officer and salute him. Later in the film Bub remembers his previous exchange with Captain Rhodes and demonstrates both self-awareness and a sense of humor (I won't spoil it for you).

While the limbic system gives them the desire to eat, there's no evidence of the zombie being sated after a big meal. Since zombies tend to have short life spans in these films we never get to see if decomposition continues post-reanimation. This is the key question. We know that zombies don't feel pain but can move their limbs in a shambling walk. The most logical hypothesis is that nerve impulses from the body are no longer being transmitted. This would make the hunger they feel akin to the phantom limb pain amputees feel.

If the zombie's digestive system remains intact it's logical to assume that decomposition has stopped. In this case the zombie will digest food and expel waste. In this undead state the zombie would have a shot at immortality as long as it had a food supply. Conversely, if the digestive system has stopped and decomposition continues, then food (BRAAAAAAAAINS!) will build up in the zombie's stomach which will eventually burst. As decomposition progresses the zombie's internal organs would decay, liquify, and leak out of the body. This is the most interesting (and disgusting) scenario.

If the zombie's body continues to decay post-reanimation then the soft tissue would rot away over time leaving the zombie immobile. As the body decays and the extremities fall away, the zombie would eventually be reduced to a skull and a brain lying on the ground. Presumably the brain would still be conscious (or as conscious as a zombie brain is). Over time various critters will enter the skull and eat the brain, causing the final death of the zombie. If, however, the skull is protected from creepy-crawly things an interesting thing happens. The zombie would be deprived of sensory organs and just sit there, a creature of the mind, trapped alone with only hunger and half-memories of its past.

What can I say? It was a DULL meeting.

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No, zombies purge.

delete me.

Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:34:15 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

This should be posted to the fro... Okay, maybe not.

- derumi (del-me)
"Bobby Fischer? Man, that guy is crazy!" - Mike Tyson

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Do Zombies Poop?

MayorBob.

Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:41:56 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Yes.  They poop their BRAAAIIIIIINNNNS out.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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zombie metabolism

JimmyHavok.

Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:38:10 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting)

  1.  Zombies don't rot. If they did, they'd be a very short-term problem, a week or so at worst.
  2. Zombies don't eat, except for brains.  That means there's a big problem with how they fuel their activities.  My theory is that the zombie-creation agent slows their metabolism to the point where they can live for a very long time on their own flesh.
  3. Zombies don't bleed.  That means there has to be some sort of alternative form of circulation of oxygen through their bodies, since muscles need oxygen in order to move.  My theory is that the zombie-creation agent is a microbe, and that it passes oxygen from one unit to another at a rate sufficient to allow zombies to move at their slow pace.  Because zombies need oxygen, they can be stopped by water.
  4. Zombies don't want brains for food.  That's why they don't eat each other.  The lust for brains is a mechanism to spread the zombie plague.  Once a human gets the plague, the zombies no longer want his brain.
  5. The above factors are why destroying a zombie's brain is the only effective way to stop him.

Conclusion: zombies don't poop, because they rarely actually eat anything.  They attack the living only until the plague is passed on, which happens fairly quickly.

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Zombies Don't Eat?

logan.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:52:07 AM EST

5.00 (astute, brilliant, funny)

Whaddaya mean, zombies don't eat, except for brains? I've seen them eat all sorts of body parts: arms, legs, even intestines. Near the end of every Living Dead movie there's a scene where everything's gone to hell and the zombies are attacking and eating the various characters. If you pay attention you'll see them chowing down on internal organs and fighting over limbs.

Zombies don't want brains for food.  That's why they don't eat each other.  The lust for brains is a mechanism to spread the zombie plague.

Interesting, but no. Most of the time when zombies catch a living human they devour him or her. Infection and turning only occurs when the victim manages to escape before being killed and eaten.

Once a human gets the plague, the zombies no longer want his brain.

There you have a point. Zombies don't eat each other. If I had to guess I'd say it's simply a matter of taste: Zombies don't taste the same as living humans. This opens the whole question of motivation. If zombies have to feast on the flesh of the living (or very recently dead) there has to be a reason why. Perhaps the living hold some chemical they crave, some physical component of life force that's irresistibly appetizing to the undead. At the moment that Stephen (David Emge) dies in Dawn of the Dead he is being set upon by a group of zombies. Once they realize that he's been turned they abandon him, much as a later group of zombies did to Homer in Treehouse of Horror III: Dial Z for Zombies (not considered canon). This implies that zombies have a way of recognizing their own that we don't quite understand. It may be smell or the absence of a heartbeat, or perhaps just a look on their face: it's vacant, with a hint of sadness. Like a drunk who's lost a bet. It also implies that once the infection has set in to the point where the being is turned the flesh is inedible or at least unappetizing to the zombie. The simplest explanation is that the flesh of the infected is tainted. Just as a human wouldn't eat a piece of meat that smells spoiled and shouldn't eat meat from a diseased animal, a zombie might be instinctively repelled by the smell of zombie flesh. You could argue then, that zombies are just very picky eaters. They like their food rare (really rare) and prefer that it's free-range and organic. On that point, I can't disagree expect to say I prefer mine medium-rare and I'd like a baked potato with butter and chives and a pint of Terminator Stout.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Zombie Taxonomy

Shy Elf.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:49:45 AM EST

4.33 (brilliant, interesting)

Every zombie universe, of course, has slightly different rules, and consequently slightly different zombies.

There are two main different types of zombies.  There is the physical zombie, who occupies a universe with our laws of physics, and there is the magical zombie, who, like Frankenstein's monster, is animated by the Galvanic life force which people began to believe in when they first noticed that an electric voltage applied to the legs of a dead frog will cause it to move.

The physical zombie generally traces its lineage to Who Goes There, and is as often as not an alien.  These zombies were initially doppelgängers.  Some pure doppelgängers survive, as in Alien, but the crossbreed of doppelgängers and zombies is now as common.

The physical zombie usually has an enzymatic deficiency, like the human inability to manufacture vitamin C, which requires it to regularly eat brains in order to survive.  Slower consumption or consumption of only animal brains normally allows it to survive, but weakens it.  They physical zombie also eats human food, but due to its more efficient metabolism, it eats much less of it than a normal human.

The physical zombie is faster, stronger, smarter, more durable, and heals faster than a normal human, but remains killable with normal weapons.  The human body is normally just a shell for an alien parasite, and sufficient damage to the human body will force the parasite out of its host for a short while before it occupies another human's body.  This parasite is normally the only form in which the zombie can be killed with reasonable ease.

The magical zombie, which includes those of George Romero, often has a pseudo-scientific reason for existing, but remains magical in that it makes little pretense to obeying the laws of physics.

The magical zombie normally eats only human flesh, for the purposes of reproduction.  If its meal is interrupted, the human it was eating will itself become a zombie.  Magical zombies may eat other things, but have no desire to do so, and derive no sustenance from doing so.

As a human, any exercise will do damage to your muscles, which is part of why they hurt after exercise.  Any time you walk, it wears away your skin, eventually leading to a blister if continued long enough.  As part of the magic which animates them, magical zombies are immune to this type of gradual wear and tear, and can only be damaged when the damage is significant enough to notice.   Likewise, the magical zombie usually rots, but this never destroys its physical integrity.  As it ages, the requirement that they not be destroyed by rotting forces the rotting to slow.

The magical zombie's heart does not beat, and it requires no air.  It can be killed only by destroying its brain.  The brain should not be able to function without a continuous oxygen and sugar supply, so the only reasonable explanation for why destroying their brain kills zombies is that monsters require an Achilles' heel.

The magical zombie is a perpetual motion machine.  It converts heat to physical work, which is why the air feels cooler around a zombie.  Because zombies violate thermodynamics and do not wear out, it is possible to use them to allow any number of people to live on earth, subject only to space constraints.  All you need to do is place a huge number of zombies in huge habitrail wheels, place some preserved human flesh on one side of the wheel, attach the wheels to electric generators, use these to power electric lights, and use this light to grow food.  If you do this, you are no longer limited to the available sunlight, and you can use multiple levels of caves to grow food, and profwhat will finally be happy.

The physical zombie poops normally, though in smaller than normal quantity due to its efficient metabolism.  The magical zombie poops only after it has consumed humans, and, given the long residence time in its digestive tract, and the high protein and high fat nature of its diet, its poop smells amazingly bad.

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Re: Do Zombies Poop?

joshv.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:17:15 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I think you've entirely overlooked the possibility of Zombie bulimia.  Perhaps they are purging off screen.

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Re: Do Zombies Poop?

joshv.

Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:11:03 AM EST

none

What about Zombie Cows?  Do they poop?

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Re: Do Zombies Poop?

Shy Elf.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:48:36 PM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

No, the just have bowel Mooovements.  And afterwards, they wipe themselves with financial statements.

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Re: Do Zombies Poop?

Lou.

Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:18:29 AM EST

none

I can't say with any authority that zombies poop...however, back in the day, many people thought these boys were the shit.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Zombie Movies

Shy Elf.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:04:44 AM EST

none

I generally find the zombie premise impossible to take seriously.  The only zombie movies I usually like are ones like Shaun of the Dead and Fido which use the genre to satirize society without taking themselves seriously.  Then again, I never watch horror movies for the "horror" but occasionally love their view of the world.

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Re: Zombie Movies

thefadd.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 01:07:05 PM EST

none

Er, have you seen Romero's Return, Dawn, and Day of the Dead series?

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Zombie Movies

thefadd.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 01:08:55 PM EST

none

I meant Night, Dawn and Day.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: Zombie Movies

Shy Elf.

Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:44:18 AM EST

none

I remember seeing at least one of them, but it was too long ago.  Unfortunately, I can't remember those movies in particular that well.  And neither have I seen the other Simon Pegg movies.

So, yes, if you're going to recommend the "Dead" movies as much better than the others of the genre, I'll try to have a look at them when they roll around again.  As to hunting them down actively, well, that would cut down too much on my time available to post silly comments.

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Shaun of the Dead

logan.

Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 03:41:44 PM EST

none

I was hoping someone would pick up on "Shaun of the Dead". It's a fantastic movie. It's a first-rate comedy and it's got both romance and character development. Shaun grows up, becomes an adult and develops real leadership skills. Ed evolves and when the chips are down he volunteers to lay down his life for his friends (Gaaayy). Finally, it could be considered canon for the Romero zombie films as it follows the same rules.

I saw a preview for "Shaun of the Dead" at Comic Con 2006 and I was hooked. I ordered it from Amazon.uk and watched it twice before the American theatrical release. When it was released in US theaters I dragged everyone I could to see it...twice. Finally, I bought the US DVD when it was released and I've been a rabid Simon Pegg fan ever since. I even liked Run Fatboy Run. While How to Lose Friends and Alienate People looks tame and lame, I have high hopes for Paul and a small indy film Simon just completed called Star Trek.

Have you seen Spaced?

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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