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Data-recovery recommendations?

HidingFromGoro.

Posted to Diary on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:29:05 AM EST. RSS.

My 500GB WD MyBook just died (loud-ass clicking, isn't recognized by Windows Vista or the WD diagnostic tool) and I'm a little clueless about which service or company to use to get the data off of it. Looking around, the prices vary significantly- is there a difference between say the $350 guys and the $1,800 guys?  I definitely don't want to try to fix it myself because I don't want to make it worse (I lack fine motor skills plus I'm extremely dumb).  Looking around on the Internet this seems to be a common issue with external HD's so I'm hoping recovering the data will be straightforward.

What should I look for when shopping around for services? Is this a simple enough problem that I could just pay a local guy under the table to do it?  I'd really like to go local (Tucson, AZ) if possible to avoid shipping it back and forth, but some of the companies I've seen online have things like "no data, no fee" policies and flat rate pricing; which sound pretty sweet.  Also celebrity testimonials!

And as luck would have it this is the one with not only all my music but also ALL my family/kid pics on it; so just saying fuck it and putting a couple .50 Beowulf rounds through it isn't an option.

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First: stop digging

wetkarma.

Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:03:45 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

If you haven't already unplugged the drive  - do so now. The more you fiddle with it, the more damage you are likely doing to the platters.

The $350 guys are likely going to use a program called SpinRite or similar software tools which you could probably do yourself. SpinRite works but given the sensitivity of the date, you don't really want to use it as there is a possibility that it will do more harm than good.

The $1800 guys are going to crack open the drive casing, and try to read the platters directly. The guys I recommend for this sort of work is Ontrack Data Recovery. I very much suggest you use Ontrack due to the data in question - they will charge you around $1k.

Be very sure when you ship your drive to OnTrack to send it in appropriate shipping material -- padded sleeve, lots of bubble wrap.

Once you have your data back, allow me to recommend Carbonite an online unlimited automated backup service. This will prevent future heart attacks when (inevitably) your future drives fail and you'll never have to worry about whether you have a 'current' backup of your data.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: First: stop digging

joshv.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:10:33 PM EST

none

The best backup solution isn't online - I don't trust my data with other folks, and I've got far too much of it to ship over DSL.  The best backup solution for a drive is another drive.

My external drives can fry themselves and I wouldn't care - why?  Because they are only backup for my internal drives.  Drives are cheap enough that if you buy one for storage, you buy another of the same size for backup.

I wrote some batch scripts to do backup, but you can use rsync, or any of the commercial packages such as Norton Ghost.

Of course this won't protect you from fire or other natural disasters, but I find those events to be relatively rare compared to the rate of simple hard drive failure.

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Re: First: stop digging

wetkarma.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:18:50 PM EST

none

My perspective is that the risk of losing the data locally  (including the backups) is higher than the risk of having the data compromised when you store it remotely. Sure fires or natural disasters are rare (although they do happen), but combine that with home robberies, accidental liquid spills etc and it makes sense to keep the backup of your data separate from the primary storage location.

Separately, the backup storage solution I recommended (Carbonite) allows you the option of encrypting the data with an asymmetric key. Naturally you run into the problem of making sure you don't lose the key, but this is easily solved by placing one copy in a bank safety deposit box.

If you don't care for this approach, you can always encrypt locally (TrueCrypt) and then backup the encrypted data.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: First: stop digging

joshv.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:35:44 PM EST

none

In the past 10 years I've had about 4 drives, and two motherboard die on me.  Never had anything computer related stolen (though I've had two break-ins) and there hasn't been a fire in the building.  I doubt a liquid spill is going to nail both the external drives and the internal, though I guess it's possible.

The total size of all my backed up data is now pushing 300GB - carbonite just aint' gunna cut it.  Granted not all of this is required.  This include a full backup of my C:\ drive, backup of my linux box, copies of all the software installers I've ever downloaded, and all the RAW photos I've every taken.  I could probably whittle this down - but why bother, disk drives are cheap.

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Re: First: stop digging

thefadd.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:49:36 PM EST

none

I saw a 1 TB drive at fry's for $200 yesterday. For that price, if I had anything I cared about, I'd keep one at home, one at the office and one in storage.

It is easy to buy small plaster models of what you think life is like.

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Re: First: stop digging

JimmyHavok.

Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46:22 AM EST

none

I was working at a place where we used a stack of five cassettes for backup, we pulled one out and put the next in every morning, and cycled through them over the course of the week.

The box of cassettes was set on top of the server until I got there.  I had to explain why we should at least put it on the other side of the room.

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

logan.

Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:28:52 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

Stop rebooting immediately. All you are doing is causing more damage. If you are of a mind and are relatively techie there's one more thing to try. Remove the drive (carefully) and put it in an external drive enclosure. Boot a separate machine into Linux and try mounting the failing drive. If I lost you at "Linux" skip to paragraph 3.

If the drive can be mounted, it may be that it's only the boot sector that's toasted and your data is still there. Copy whatever you can from the failing drive to the Linux machine. Be smart, get the most important docs first: irreplaceable photos and documents go first, mp3s go last. Once you get everything you can off the drive you can either take it to a recovery service to try for the last files or call it good enough and chuck the drive in the trash. Your hard drive is now a rock. It's dead, Jim. Put a fork in it. It is now a paperweight. Any attempt to reuse it will only lead to tragedy.

Data recovery services can be sketchy. Some charge a minimal amount for a first try (which always fails) and immediately do the upsell to the $1500 service. Others will take a reasonable shot before charging more. I recommend asking around and looking online for references. Odds are some local Mom and Pop tech store will do a better job and be more honest with you than Geek Squad.

The good part is that there's no drive so damaged that you can't get some of the information back. The only question is how much time, effort and money do you want to spend on recovering the data. There are amazing stories about can be recovered from drives that have been erased, rewritten, even pissed on. If the data is worth $1800, spend $1800. If it's 95% mp3s and saved games, the hell with it. Get what you can and move on.

At some point in their life everyone has a catastrophic failure of the one drive that held all the really important stuff, the one drive that they knew they should back up one of these days but hasn't.  Learn from this experience. Put a big-ass hard drive somewhere on your network and arrange for an incremental backup on a daily basis. Sign up for an online backup service. Me, I like BackBlaze because a friend of mine runs it and I trust Brian on technical issues and things relating to squirrels. Finally, if something is really important, make an extra backup. Email a copy to yourself and leave it on the server. Burn your entire home directory to a cd/dvd every month or so and stash the disk someplace safe.

Even if you can't get the data off the drive there are still ways to recover it. If you took digital photos odds are you emailed them to someone. Check your email account to see if there's a copy in your "Sent" folder. Failing that, email whoever you sent the photos to and ask if they still have a copy. Check through any old cds and dvds you may have burned. You may have copies or early drafts of some of your data. When you got this machine did you transfer files from another machine or drive? Do you still have it? How about your significant other, do they have any of the information?

In the end there's one thing you should do: find a local nerd and make friends. Ask around at work or the PTA meeting or the meeting of your Coven. Odds are someone you know knows something about tech and can help you out in exchange for pizza and beer. Keep in mind that requests for tech support are the bane of every techie so make sure you let it be known that you will compensate people for their help. The flipside is that most of us like helping people with their technology, so if you're cool, we're cool.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 10:35:46 AM EST

none

Remove the drive (carefully) and put it in an external drive enclosure. Boot a separate machine into Linux and try mounting the failing drive
You like to do things the hard way. Why not get a Knoppix CD or a Linux on a USB drive and avoid having to take the machine apart and buy an enclosure?

...find a local nerd and make friends
Nice try, lonely nerd-boy.

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Location location location

Lou.

Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:27:29 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Nerd? It all depends on where you are...

Two friends in the school of engineering ran into each in the quad.  One was riding a very expensive mountain bike.

1st Student: Woah, nice bike...where did you get it?
2nd Student: I was walking home yesterday and the beautiful girl rode right up to me, threw the bike down, tore off all of her clothes and said, 'take what you want!"
1st student: Excellent choice...that is a sweet bike.
2nd Student: Absolutely...besides, I don't think her clothes would look good on me.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

logan.

Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:50:36 PM EST

none

Nice try, lonely nerd-boy.

The key word is local. Dude is in Phoenix. I'm in San Jose. Do your research, Slappy.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:09:14 AM EST

none

Do your research, Slappy
No need: I don't have a malfunctioning hard drive.

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

Lou.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 09:26:17 AM EST

none

No hard drive of yours would dare malfunction.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

port1080.

Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 11:05:19 AM EST

none

You said:  If you are of a mind and are relatively techie there's one more thing to try. Remove the drive (carefully) and put it in an external drive enclosure. Boot a separate machine into Linux and try mounting the failing drive. If I lost you at "Linux" skip to paragraph 3.

HidingFromGoro said: Looking around on the Internet this seems to be a common issue with external HD's so I'm hoping recovering the data will be straightforward.

If I'm right and that means HFG is saying it's an external hard drive, then I'm not sure that taking it apart and putting it in another USB enclosure would make much of a difference.  

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

gerrymander.

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:52:10 AM EST

none

If I'm right and that means HFG is saying it's an external hard drive, then I'm not sure that taking it apart and putting it in another USB enclosure would make much of a difference.

It might. There are two separate controllers in any external hard drive: the format converter and the controller for the drive itself. I've seen the former go bad while leaving the drive intact. It's not a frequent problem, but it is possible.

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Re: Data-recovery recommendations?

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:01:59 AM EST

none

Keep rebooting and listening to those clicks and you won't have to worry about data recovery.

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How Did It Go?

logan.

Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 02:17:50 PM EST

none

It's been a couple of weeks now. What did you end up doing in the end? How did it work out? Let's hear The Rest Of The Story.

-=Logan
Research, facts, a Republican needs not these things.

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