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Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on the Congo

pO157.

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The World Health Organization has confirmed the start of a new Ebola virus outbreak in the Congo.

Ebola virus has plagued Africa since 1976. With a mortality rate of up to 89% (overall kill rate of 69.3%), the highly contagious disease is one of the few in the world that scares the jeepers out of scientists and physicians. Thankfully it has been relatively confined to the third world for the few outbreaks that have occurred since its discovery.

The latest epidemic was recently reported by the western Congo health minister on December 25th and confirmed in the laboratory by the WHO. At least 11 people are known to have died, although the WHO says it is still too early to rule out other diseases. Incubation periods of up to 3 weeks can enhance the spread before flu like symptoms, vomiting blood, diarrhea, internal organ destruction and massive necrosis kill the patient. The charity Doctors Without Borders is monitoring those known to have come into contact with the infected. They are concerned that at least 102 people known to have contacted the sick could become ill themselves and infect others.

Angola has sealed its borders as a preventative measure, and Uganda is on alert. Last year the virus killed 187. There is no cure or vaccine for the disease.

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

Baudouin.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 12:16:16 PM EST

none

being Belgian, I would like to know how often "worse than Belgians on Congo" is used in the english language ? Is it a common metaphor ?

And regarding Congo, it was for a while the personal property of our second king before he decided to give it to us. And no I am not exactly proud of what happened there.

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The only thing worse then misplaced prepositions

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 12:37:37 PM EST

none

I've never hear the phrase before, but there's no reason I can see not to start using it in the future as often as possible.

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The Fire. We didn't start it.

pO157.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 12:52:27 PM EST

none

Sorry, didn't mean to rip on your country, or Leopold II or his descendants. I was referring to a line in the classic song "We Didn't Start the Fire." My reference failed and for that I apologize.

Welcome to TnT!

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Re: The Fire. We didn't start it.

Baudouin.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 04:49:25 PM EST

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I didn't feel offensed, I was just curious. It's not everyday you discover your nationality in an headline.

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Steve Urkel.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 05:19:43 PM EST

none

Americans have a historically innacurate perception of Belgians in the Congo because of the fabrications contained in book titled "King Leopold's Ghost", written by a journalist and extreme leftist named Adam Hochschild.

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Interesting

uncarved block.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 10:34:37 PM EST

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    The book was so incredible it actually traveled back in time to inspire Billy Joel. Is there no end to the evil of Adam Hochschild?

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Interesting

Steve Urkel.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 12:09:29 AM EST

none

It's obvious from the context - "U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy. Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo" - Joel is referring to the Congo Crisis of 1960, not to 19th century events.

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pO157.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 12:56:25 PM EST

none

Ebola is scary shit. The only  good thing about the situation is the relatively well isolated locations it keeps breaking out in. As long as the folks coming down with this ailment don't end up on a plane or something we should be okay.

Given the advances in science and medicine I think if they can hold the disease to the Congo for the next ~5-10 years then Ebola will be done.

Spread it on!

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joshv.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 01:50:47 PM EST

none

As I've said before, I am just not so worried about diseases with such a high mortality rate.  When disease progression is rapid and death almost certain, the carriers are not likely to pass on the disease very effectively before they die.  In such cases the less virulent strains of the pathogen are much more likely to propagate.  Therefore, if the disease breaks out into the general population it will be in a much less virulent form.  There is no way Ebola is ever going to take out 80%+ of the world population if spread via person to person contact.

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Shy Elf.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 10:01:44 PM EST

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When disease progression is rapid and death almost certain, the carriers are not likely to pass on the disease very effectively before they die.
A high mortality rate is no guarantee that there will be no epidemic.  The average Ebola victim is contagious for about as long as the average flu victim, and flu doesn't have any problem propagating in that time.  The low level of airborne transmission is probably more important.  If there were an outbreak many times of what we've seen previously, presumably people would take measures to lower person-to-person contact, which would cause the epidemic to die out.

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pO157.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 04:05:46 PM EST

none

A high mortality rate is no guarantee that there will be no epidemic.  The average Ebola victim is contagious for about as long as the average flu victim, and flu doesn't have any problem propagating in that time.  The low level of airborne transmission is probably more important.  If there were an outbreak many times of what we've seen previously, presumably people would take measures to lower person-to-person contact, which would cause the epidemic to die out.

I was going to say pretty much this. Quite informative.

In my opinion, I wouldn't be worried so much about a global pandemic from Ebola (as you point out it is unlikely to happen). Instead I'd be worried about a few cases hitting the US (or some industrialized nation's shores) and then watching mass chaos and panic break out as people go crazy. You'd probably get more people killed from the riots, panic, looting and mass tomfoolery than you would from the actual virus itself. If anything it would probably go down like in the book "Executive Orders" by Tom Clancy although that book supposes it was due to a terrorist attack by Islamic lunatics and not dropped off via a sick international traveler.

Spread it on!

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Shy Elf.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 04:23:59 PM EST

none

I find the perils of the Hollywood movie-style mass hysteria panic are generally very overstated.  At the beginning of a real crisis, people are generally very calm.  Yes, this kind of panic does set in eventually, but it generally appears much later than most people suppose.

Someday we're going to have another truly deadly plague which is quick.  AIDS counts as such a plague, but it's too slow for people to get that excited about.  Ebola or avian influenza could easily mutate to be such a plague, but it could as easily be something else, and there's really no reason to think that such a thing happening tomorrow is any more likely than it has been for most of the past century.  

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pO157.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 04:40:51 PM EST

none

I find the perils of the Hollywood movie-style mass hysteria panic are generally very overstated.  At the beginning of a real crisis, people are generally very calm.  Yes, this kind of panic does set in eventually, but it generally appears much later than most people suppose.

I wish I could share your optimism, but I'll settle for hoping none of us ever finds out who is right. All I can say is look at the trouble after Katrina, a situation where it was confined to a region and everybody knew that within a week or two things would be "okay." Now multiply  that across an entire nation, decrease the availability of outside police, national guard, etc (since they'll all be helping out in their own communities there will be no surge capacity like we saw in the south after Katrina) and jack up the uncertainty by a factor of 11. I doubt it would be pretty. Sure the majority of us would survive but I think things could get a bit unpleasant in the interim.

Heck, look at the "snow rage" that reportedly occurred in Washington state this week (people shooting at snowplows and other generalized idiocy). Imagine what it would be like after being told to remain in your home for a month or two on end.

Spread it on!

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

Shy Elf.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 05:29:03 PM EST

none

What trouble after Katrina?  Yes, New Orleans was getting ready to explode when help arrived, but it takes longer than people including the news media expect.

One guy shooting at someone annoyingly honking their horn is a statewide epidemic of snow rage?  What day doesn't have plenty of generalized idiocy?

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pO157.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 05:36:18 PM EST

none

So the cops caught on tape looting the stores in uniform and the other shenanigans don't count?

Sure, it wasn't as bad as the media at the time hyped it up to be, but it was still pretty bad in comparison to every day life.

Spread it on!

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

Shy Elf.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 05:53:51 PM EST

none

So, would you characterize Katrina as "...watching mass chaos and panic break out as people go crazy. You'd probably get more people killed from the riots, panic, looting and mass tomfoolery... ?"

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pO157.

Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 06:09:21 PM EST

none

Probably not, but then again as I pointed out it was confined to one area and there was a significant (albeit late) "surge response" in the form of national guard troops and others from out of the affected zone. You wouldn't have that in a pandemic spread across the entire country so there would be more of a chance of things getting out of control.

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

WMK.

Fri Jan 09, 2009 at 06:05:29 PM EST

none

If you like imagining just what sort of disease could wipe out humanity - here's a game/simulator for you Pandemic (you may need a facebook acct.)

"...when theft and high crime becomes obscenely obvious to even the blindest beer sucking idiot, it is always the Republicans who are in office." -- Joe Bageant

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It's addictive.

pO157.

Fri Jan 09, 2009 at 06:31:31 PM EST

none

Oh that thing? I hate Madagascar.

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 01:55:57 PM EST

none

Spread it on!
That's terrible!

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

pO157.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 01:59:08 PM EST

none

Why?

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians on

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 02:11:48 PM EST

none

You're encouraging people to pass on a deadly disease?! You, sir, are worse than Belgians on Congo!

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Re: Possibly the only thing worse than Belgians

skeptic.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 03:11:26 PM EST

none

Maybe.  But he could have meant, spread the good word that Ebola can be defeated.  Or maybe he was just thinking about peanut butter.  Spread it on bread.

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Nothing worse than Belgians on the Congo?

Lou.

Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 09:04:54 PM EST

none

Hah!  Try having crabs on your organ.  It really screws up the songs your trying to play.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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