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Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on internet

pO157.

Posted to SciTech on Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 12:41:46 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Rick Santorum (R) recently complained to Politico about his "Google Problem." He complained that when you google his name, the definition for Santorum pops up, instead of his website. Santorum said that Google is actually "Spreading filth" by the way it operates and demanded that something be done immediately.

Santorum told Politico

"I suspect if something was up there like that about Joe Biden, they'd get rid of it. If you're a responsible business, you don't let things like that happen in your business that have an impact on the country. To have a business allow that type of filth to be purveyed through their website or through their system is something that they say they can't handle, but I suspect that's not true."
By way of background, the definition of "Santorum" was officially recorded in 2003 after the Senator equated gay sex with bestiality, incest and polygamy. In response, Google told Mr. Santorum that if he disagrees with the search ranking results, that he should contact the webmasters responsible and talk to them about it. They said they only alter the search algortithm in the case of illegal activity or violations of their guidelines.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

gerrymander.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 03:47:36 AM EST

5.00 (adorable, astute)

If Santorum was serious about wanting Google to clean up it's act, he would have one of his (or better, same-named family's) kids enroll in a California school program, then sue the school under the incipient "Seth's Law" to ban Google access from state school computers. Having the first application of a gay-friendly anti-bullying law used to stop a bullying campaign championed by gays would be a delicious irony.

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improper.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 03:52:09 AM EST

none

You really consider it bullying?

By the way, this thread as frontpage material? For real?

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port1080.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 03:56:42 AM EST

none

By the way, this thread as frontpage material? For real?

As ever...if you want better, different, more diverse, whatever content on this community driven site, submit it, vote in the sub-q, etc.  I can't run a story if nobody writes it, and I can't be selective about what I run if there isn't much to pick and choose from.

Allons-y!

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improper.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:09:31 AM EST

none

I hear that. Nothing against pO157, I usually enjoy his threads, but I thought the other two stories (Big Cross and Iceland) were better suited for the frontpage.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

port1080.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:14:23 AM EST

none

They'll get there eventually...we like to space stories out so there's something new each day, rather than running everything in the sub-q at once.  Also, it's a artifact of the Scoop CMS that there is that "promoted to section page" voting option - if something is in the sub-q, it either goes to the front page or it gets dumped entirely (we can't even kick it out to diaries).

Allons-y!

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

pO157.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 12:36:28 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Hey, I hear what you're saying. I would probably rather discuss them as well. But in this case, we have a member of the GOP demanding controls on free speech (hypocrisy!) and I got to use the phrase "Anal Froth" in a headline. So it was pretty much a go-to submission for me.

This space for rent. Will beat any advertised price.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

Haggis.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 02:22:39 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Anal Froth would be a great name for a rock band; Santorum not so much.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

gerrymander.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 05:03:47 AM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

You really consider it bullying?

It's an orchestrated, ongoing attempt to smear and humiliate a man (and anyone who shares his name) based on his religion and sexual orientation. What else would you call it?

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improper.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 05:42:04 AM EST

none

Not sure what I would call that. Is it still bullying trying to delegitimatize the current President by saying he's a secret Muslim and not born in the country?

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

gerrymander.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 06:58:30 AM EST

none

"Secret Muslim", yes. "Not born in the US", no before his birth certificate was released, yes after.

And those are effectively best-case comparative scenarios, as there are at least tenuous ties to Obama's candidacy/office. There are no ties I'm aware of linking Santorum to the vulgar epithet of his name.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

improper.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 07:39:48 AM EST

none

Well he has his head up his ass so that seems like a pretty nice link.

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HidingFromGoro.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 02:57:27 PM EST

5.00 (bullying)

it's the definition of cyberbullying, as currently interpreted/enforced

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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keta.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 04:43:58 AM EST

none

What else would you call it?

Comeuppance.  

For an ongoing attempt to smear and humiliate people of a certain sexual orientation.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 05:37:19 AM EST

5.00 (adulterous)

Adultery is not a sexual orientation.

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Those Frothy Santorums

keta.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 05:45:12 AM EST

5.00 (commemorative)

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John Adams.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:27:05 AM EST

none

If this law could be used to successfully ban Google from public school computers, would it really need this Santorum case to do so?  After all, you can search for any number of disgusting or harassing things on Google.

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port1080.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:02:53 AM EST

5.00 (agreed, astute)

Santorum is a bigot and a scold, and deserves what's coming to him.  I think it's absolutely valid to (as the law does) make a distinction between private persons and public figures.  If you're going to be a politician, this is the life you expose yourself to.  There is no way to protect your sensitive feelings without potentially putting a severe crimp in the democratic process, so you'll just have to live with it.  Google's algorithm doesn't discriminate - if Santorum had the kind of support that Dan Savage does his people could orchestrate similar "Google bombs".  The fact that he can't, and Savage can, maybe indicates that if you've got less of a following than a two-bit sex columnist, maybe you shouldn't be running for national office.

Allons-y!

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improper.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:53:10 AM EST

none

The Republican playbook is centered around "putting a severe crimp in the democratic process". Their concept of playing is changing the rules of the game.

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harzerkatze.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 09:04:29 PM EST

5.00 (publishable)

a two-bit sex columnist
Oh, Savage isn't just a two-bit nobody: He is internationally famous and probably the most well-known sex advice columnist internationally. One of his books has even been published in German.
More than Santorum can say for himself.

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His Autobiography Is Printed In German

Haggis.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 11:48:13 PM EST

none

Sheisskopf

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: His Autobiography Is Printed In German

harzerkatze.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 03:12:24 AM EST

none

Wrong.

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Re: His Autobiography Is Printed In German

Haggis.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 05:59:55 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Yes, well he couldn't spell in German either.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

joshv.

Mon Sep 26, 2011 at 04:46:08 PM EST

none

It seems to me that google should be able to detect google bombs in an automated fashion and remove them from results or give them a lower rank.   They could just simply search their own results for "Google bomb" and cross reference with positively trending search terms.

Even if such a thing is not so easy to automate, once Google is made aware of them, they should be manually addressed.  Google bombs are specific attempts to game the google ranking engine, and google aggressively polices most every other form of gaming their system (link farms, etc...).

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port1080.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 12:57:22 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I agree, it seems like they should be able to do that, but for whatever reason they apparently can't...if they could easily fix this, I think they would, wouldn't they?  More likely, this is an especially difficult one because there are now so many legitimate news stories about the google bomb that it's hard to jigger the algorithm - the bomb has become the story, so it's no longer a bomb (or it's a meta-bomb, or something).  It also doesn't help that Santorum is such a weak candidate...if he was getting more press, his personal website would probably be higher in the results.  It is a bit of a catch 22 (since one might argue that the anal froth is hurting his chances of people taking him seriously, although I'd say he's done well enough making a fool of himself that he probably didn't even need Savage's help), but other than actually fixing the results manually (and I think you can see how that could become problematic for them, from a legal standpoint - if they start manually mucking around with the results, it opens them to all sorts of liability, both in terms of libel, and from the DMCA / copyright infringement claims), I don't see what can be done with a case like this.

Allons-y!

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joshv.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 02:39:30 AM EST

none

No, they can easily demote the "frothy" page in their search results, they just don't want to.

You do have a point about the whole thing feeding on itself and becoming relevant, but if google-bombing were more proactively policed by google, this wouldn't have happened in the first place.  Effectively Savage has gamed google in order to get publicity that he could not otherwise have gotten.

Regardless, at this point it makes sense that stories about the frackas would rate highly, but the "frothy" page itself should not be the #1 result.  I cannot imagine anyone but some peurile assholes thinking that's the most relevant search result for 'Santorum'.  

I also find it ironic that google and Dan Savage have an online campaign against 'bullying'.  This seems a textbook case of cyberbulling.  Way to set an example for the kids Savage.

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port1080.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 02:47:42 AM EST

none

No, they can easily demote the "frothy" page in their search results, they just don't want to.

Again - if they do this in one case, it puts them on the hook legally if they neglect to do it in other cases.  I think you're severely discounting how much of an issue this could become, both from a libel perspective and from a copyright law perspective.  I agree that they could easily do it "manually", but I disagree that it's trivial to just "tweak the algorithm" - if it was, they would have done so already.

Allons-y!

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tinsguy.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 09:29:21 AM EST

none

"Way to set an example for the kids Savage."

indeed!!!  much better example than rick's bigotry and ignorance regarding homosexuality.

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joshv.

Tue Sep 27, 2011 at 11:31:56 AM EST

5.00 (teachable)

Ah so one fights evil with evil, another good lesson for the kids.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

tinsguy.

Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 07:47:26 AM EST

none

i don't consider dan's actions as evil.

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Ruining the conservative label

T Slothrop.

Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 02:25:56 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Yeah I know this is three days late, but my ability to surf TnT while at work has been severely curtailed by the impending change of the seasons.

Because my libertarian / conservative bonafides are relatively well-known here I trust that you'll see my question as sincere: Just exactly what is it with you (and also gerrymander) and scum like Santorum? He and his crazy-eyed co-religionists and their assorted fellow-travelers are precisely what has been slowly destroying not just the Republican Party but the entire American conservative movement over the past quarter century. His smug brand of American Theocracy has made it impossible for the Republicans to field a serious candidate for president since, well, Reagan. Because to run for that nomination now you gotta spend half your goddamned time talking about how much you love Jesus and family values and how much you hate faggots and evolution and abortion.

Santorum and his ilk should burn in hell if only there were such a place. Independents and swing voters don't give a shit about that stuff any more (if they ever really did), and the so-called "values voters" make up at most 15% of the electorate. Screw 'em. Who are they gonna vote for? Barry?

[I'm not that guy.]

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Re: Ruining the conservative label

joshv.

Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 03:03:56 PM EST

5.00 (angelic, funny)

Hey, I called him evil.

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Re: Rick Santorum wants less anal froth on interne

thefadd.

Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 12:51:59 PM EST

none

That sort of censorship (while not illegal as google has a product which it can deploy in any manner it wishes) is patently ridiculous. It's not their job to police what people are happy to talk about. Besides, if they did such a thing through something so simple as crossing referencing with "google bomb" in an automated fashion, the collective internet would very quickly get wind of it and google bomb the santorum out of "legit" searches.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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