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Seriously, guys?

Milo.

Posted to Religion on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 10:17:10 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Assassinating a 14 year old girl?

Am I the only one who thinks the Taliban have jumped the shark?

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Re: Seriously, guys?

indecentspeech.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 09:26:59 AM EST

none

This should be highlighted more:

Her father ran one of the last schools to defy Taliban orders to end female education.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

redshift.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 11:41:11 AM EST

none

I don't think you understand just how important it is to God that women not learn anything.  

It's not quite important enough for Him to step in Himself and make them incapable of learning any of the forbidden items, but it is important enough to send enforcers.

There ain't no good guy. There ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree - Jim Krueger

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 07:50:56 PM EST

none

If Afghan women learn anything, they might find out that women in other places don't take male violence for granted, don't have to marry rapists, get to choose their own husbands, and don't live in fear and subjugation. If that were to happen, Taliban men couldn't maintain their ancient lifestyle. In other words, GAME OVER. That can't be allowed to happen, no matter how many women have to be murdered.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

rickb928.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 11:49:55 AM EST

none

That's not my God.  Seriously, the Taliban seem to be following an entirely different god, or different scripture, which is not what I follow.

My God expects all His children to be educated, despite some confusion about that by those who aren't actually followers, and a few who are.  He certainly don't advocate killing girls because they are in school.  

Yeah, the Taliban can't tolerate dissent, or they would disappear.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

redshift.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 05:49:04 PM EST

none

They are sure they know what God wants.  If there is one thing He can't stand, it's a woman reading.  If He looks down and sees a woman reading, it gives Him indigestion.  Without the Taliban to help out, it might result in an ulcer.  They don't want that on their conscience.  

Any suggestion that they have selfish motives and they aren't just looking out for the wellbeing of the all-powerful creator of the universe is completely off-base.  

We should be thankful.  If they don't keep their little armpit of the world Pure and Holy, He might just lose His patience with the whole human race.  

There ain't no good guy. There ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree - Jim Krueger

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It's A Taliban World.

Haggis.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 11:46:22 AM EST

none

She just had the misfortune to live in it.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

arromdee.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 01:02:44 PM EST

none

To be fair, I can easily think of situations where a 14 year old girl is a valid military target.  (A 14 year old suicide bomber, for instance.)  Of course this particular one wasn't attacked for that.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

natophonic.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 01:49:01 PM EST

none

Shooting a 14-year-old suicide bomber to prevent the bombing from doing others harm isn't really assassination.

As Chris Rock put: "I'm watching the news ... Tupac Shakur was assassinated, Biggie Smalls assassinated, struck down by assassin's bullets ... no, they wasn't. Martin Luther King was assassinated, Malcolm X was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Them two niggas got shot! Shit, I love Tupac, I love Biggie, but school will be open on their birthday."

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 08:27:59 AM EST

none

In advanced countries, 14-year old girls would still be considered children. In backward countries, they would be considered breeding stock.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 08:51:56 AM EST

none

In advanced countries, 14-year old girls would still be considered children. In backward countries, they would be considered breeding stock
Now there's a motto: Canada - advanced since 2008.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 01:43:35 PM EST

none

Given "close in age" statutes, plenty of American states wouldn't qualify as advanced even now. But "Age of Consent" laws don't define when children become adults anyway.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

Gaius Petronius.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 02:29:02 PM EST

none

Taliban jumped the shark? Howzabout Code Pink?

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Jumped the shark?

gerrymander.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:36:09 PM EST

none

Neither of the ways I read that reflects well on the question. If the query intends to imply that the Taliban care about Western social opprobrium, it's simply incorrect. There's ample evidence that they don't.

Alternately, if it intends to speculate on declining popularity of the Taliban among Western advocates, it's misguided. Regardless of actual harm and human rights abuses all the way over there, the people most publicly concerned about such have political opponents here who must be undermined, bludgeoned into submission, and silenced. The education and well-being of 14-year-old girls in Afghanistan is only important if they can be used as a through line in the "War on Women" to secure the much more important goal of other people paying for things rich American women want. Otherwise, they will be ignored in favor of calling Taliban opponents "racists".

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Re: Jumped the shark?

indecentspeech.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:51:54 PM EST

none

Nice underhanded way of trying to politicize this.

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Re: Jumped the shark?

Haggis.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:02:00 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I view the excesses of the Taliban: recruitment of children to fight; targeted killings of children (regardless of gender); public execution of women for the sheer spectacle of it all; destruction of cultural and historical sites and artwork; and on and on as more like a "War on Humanity" rather than "War on Women".  I'm sure they view it as a "War for Good" or "War for All That's Holy" but they're the ones that are there, all heavily armed with a following willing to do whatever to promote their goals.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Not Dead

novy.

Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 10:37:48 PM EST

5.00 (awesome)

Malala Yousafzai may not only have survived this attack, most of Pakistan was angry at her attackers, and $100,000 in reward money was offered for information leading authorities to them.

Maybe these Taliban assholes really have gone too far for their clients in Pakistan. Maybe Pakistan will think twice about putting them in power in Afghanistan again. If so, they would have lost more by shooting Malala than they could ever have hoped to gain.

Indeed, maybe they "jumped the shark".

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Re: Not Dead

arromdee.

Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 11:23:05 AM EST

none

So does this incident count as them hating our freedom?

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Re: Not Dead

novy.

Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 01:46:42 PM EST

none

I think this incident counts as them hating Western-style education, especially of women. It reminds me of Nigeria's Boko Haram.

Did you ever read "Brave New World"? In Huxley's dystopian/ Aquarian future, authorities maintain "Tribal Areas" where people who don't want to adjust to "modern life" can go to live as their ancestors lived. We need more Tribal Areas for these losers so that they don't infect anyone else.  

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Re: Not Dead

arromdee.

Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 02:02:15 PM EST

none

I think the rights we give to women count as part of "our freedom", and that therefore this is a case of them hating our freedom.  "They hate our freedom" is often pooh-poohed on the grounds that they just hate our Middle Eastern policy, but this is a clear case of them acting murderously for something that has everything to do with their lack of respect for freedom and nothing to do with policy.  This couldn't have been stopped by turning against Israel, or not having occupied Iraq.

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Re: Not Dead

novy.

Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 02:51:10 PM EST

4.50 (astute, interesting)

Certainly neither Taliban murders nor Boko Haram massacres have been responses to US policies relative to Israel or Iraq. But I can't get behind "they hate our freedom" -- which suggests that they do things we despise because we live as we do -- because they don't really hate OUR freedom so much as they hate freedom in general. They would hate it whether we existed or not, and they would murder freedom-fighters in their midst whether we existed or not.

They may hate us because we undermine their efforts to maintain 14th century norms in their countries, but they would hate us for that even if we weren't free. Consider, for example, Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 08:39:51 AM EST

none

Islamic religious fanatics seem worse than American uber-Christian religious fanatics or Jewish settler religious fanatics mainly because they operate in more backward countries, with fewer westernised people. Of late, though, both uber-Christians and Jewish settlers have been trying to avoid contact as much as possible with westernised/ modernist people precisely because they want to become more extreme and their contacts with modernists inhibit them.

Koch-funded uber-Christians running for state legislature in Arkansas have been showing up in news stories lately for their kind words about slavery ("why didn't Jesus oppose it?"), putting rebellious children to death (uber-Christians love Old Testament law until it prohibits eating pork and shellfish), and expelling Americans who practice Islam (maybe they could send black Muslims back to Africa). If they had more power, they would be America's very own Taliban.

Meanwhile, over in Israel, ultras want women and men to walk on different sides of streets, and seem every bit as desperate to keep their women in boxes as Muslim extremists do. Ask them about educating women.

Too bad we can't convince ultras of all stripes that using Western technology will result in their going to Hell, but no matter how much they hate technology, ultras always seem to embrace advances in weaponry. Violence always appeals to people trying to enforce God's will on Earth, as it does to other barbarians whose main interest remains  becoming and staying top predators.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

indecentspeech.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 09:47:15 AM EST

none

The only things that keep religious nutjobs at bay are a secular army and a educated population.

Also, let's be fair to the fanatics, the bible does not prohibit slavery. Another reason it is out-dated bullshit.

Or as Einstein said:

The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 01:35:52 PM EST

none

Ironically, since Biblically-authorised "slavery" resembled what we call indentured servitude more than what was practiced in America's Confederacy, Southern slavery would always have violated Biblical norms. Southern slavery was more like Egyptian slavery, which ended badly for Egypt if I remember Exodus correctly. Maybe that explains why their "God" didn't save Confederates from Union armies.  

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Re: Seriously, guys?

Jackkeefe.

Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:00:07 AM EST

none

convince ultras of all stripes that using Western technology will result in their going to Hell

If only.  If Muslims would simply avoid youtube those 4 Americans in Libya would be alive.  Becasue without youtube, Muslims  would have no reason to spontaneosly riot at 9:40  in the evening with RPGs and mortars.  Youtube must have caused those riots becuase the Secretary of State said so days later while standing over the coffin of the murdered ambassador and the Obama administration never lies, right?  

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Re: Seriously, guys?

novy.

Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:46:08 PM EST

none

You haven't had one honest Administration in my lifetime, Republican or Democrat. If you cared when Republicans lied, maybe your outrage when Democrats lie would be meaningful, but you don't really; only winning matters.

America has been at its own throat since Vietnam, and neither side in your domestic war seems inclined to forgive its evil enemy. America has no meaningful foreign enemies anymore, and despite its best efforts to manufacture one, no country has been both willing and truly able to cooperate, so you have turned to inventing internal enemies instead. Go ahead, replay your Civil War until China has more global authority than you do.

Meanwhile, what can your friends do? Just scratch our heads and wonder what went so terribly wrong. Absolute power over so many foreign countries has corrupted you absolutely.

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Re: Seriously, guys?

tjb.

Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 12:47:00 PM EST

none

The Taliban are claiming that the media reports are biased.  Because if people just understood that they shot her because she was being un-Islamic, they would see that it is ok.

(I don't want to live on this planet any more)

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