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We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Posted to Media on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:36:40 PM EST (promoted from Diaries by Acefantastik). RSS.

Race, crime, and the media.

As I've noted before, the media suppresses the races of criminals and victims.

There are exceptions, of course:

 "The case of a white neighborhood watch captain who shot an unarmed black teen".

"the family of a black teenager fatally shot by a white neighborhood watch volunteer say they're convinced now more than ever that the shooter should be charged."

"ABC News has uncovered questionable police conduct in the investigation of the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white neighborhood watch captain in Florida"

Best of all, here is a picture of the "white" neighborhood watch volunteer.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

HidingFromGoro.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:57:50 AM EST

none

When will anyone finally stand up for white people in America?

So far only Ephraim Gadsby aka gordon shumway aka Gaius Petronius has the courage to stand up to American culture which is systemically and pervasively in favor of blacks & Muslims, and oppressive to whites & the Noble Jews.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Warning: Rant in 5...4...

T Slothrop.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:13:50 AM EST

none

I think his point was mostly that the shooter is Hispanic. Early reports assumed he was white based  on his last name.

Now on a totally different and decidedly meta topic:

Are you speaking officially as TnT's CEO when you accuse Urkle of being GP? Did you get logs from Shane? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

Sorry, I still have a bad taste in my mouth left over from the end-of-plastic meltdown threads. I hope that anyone who accuses someone else here of sock puppetry can back up their claims with hard data.

If not, how's about we STFU on such topics.

[I'm not that guy.]

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

improper.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:24:24 AM EST

none

I don't know how you can really confuse the two. GP is usually a thoughtful, serious writer, especially on topics of foreign policy and history. Urkel/Ephraim's posts are esoteric (in a good way) and funny (I ignore the racist stuff, still don't know if that's real or trolling, don't really care either way).

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

thefadd.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:08:42 AM EST

none

Funny that -- I was just going to say I don't know you can confuse the two when Ephraim is such a thoughtful serious contributor especially on topics of politics and history while Gaias's comments come directly from wikipedia and corporate press releases ;-)

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

Haggis.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 09:22:54 AM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

I believe him.  After all the man is the Chairman of the TNT Board.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

thefadd.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:02:30 AM EST

none

The practice seems to have graduated to kitch humor here so I wouldn't worry about it.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

T Slothrop.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:08:17 AM EST

none

If that is the case, I offer HFG my apologies. But if he was trying to be funny, why choose a serious, thoughtful, middle of the road guy like GP? Claiming he was keta or novy would seem to offer more possibility for hilarity to ensue.

[I'm not that guy.]

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

thefadd.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:15:14 PM EST

none

I don't think he was making an out and out attempt at humor per say -- at least not an attempt to be ha ha funny. But then I find nothing middle of the road about the offensive things Petronius says.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Warning: Rant in 5...4...

HidingFromGoro.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:04:01 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

yeah idk why i wrote that dude's name, he doesn't even write like urkel, heh.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:39:47 PM EST

5.00

Liberals are biased in favor of blacks, and liberals are the establishment. This can't really be disputed, instead black dysfunction is pointed to, as if it were contrary evidence, which it is not.

"aka Gaius Petronius"

Idiot.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

novy.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 03:02:07 PM EST

none

If Gadsby won't stand up for (poor) white people, who will? Certainly not (rich) white people, who don't need Gadsby's advocacy, since they own everything.

I think Gadsby would prefer his culture to be "oppressive to ... the Noble Jews". But then I still don't know who qualifies as "white" in his book either. (Most Jews look white to me.) Does he consider Polish people white? Greeks? Iranians? Someday, he'll definitively set out his world view.

Meanwhile, Mexican-Americans and blacks really don't seem to like one another much at all. I find it somewhat surprising that more of these unfortunate incidents don't take place.

I always like to accuse Gadsby of being Zyx (because they've done that sort of thing to me), but I would find it extremely surprising if contributions of Gadsby and Petronius came from one person.

 

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Trimalcio, is that you?

Gaius Petronius.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:00:28 AM EST

none

I really don't understand how you get Epraim and myself confused. Even on grounds of literary style we are quite different. I speak for myself, and no other.

As to the topic at hand, there does seem to be a fair amount of racial parsing going on here. When white cops attack Hispanic youths, the youths are considered a separate race. When Hispanics attack blacks, the Hispanics get promoted to white status. Would coverage be different is Zimmerman had a less Northern European name?

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Re: Trimalcio, is that you?

HidingFromGoro.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 12:05:15 AM EST

5.00 (right)

Would coverage be different is Zimmerman had a less Northern European name?

It could just be general media laziness- when the story first broke only the name Zimmerman was released, then later his father came out and said he was Hispanic.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

improper.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:31:16 AM EST

4.33 (interesting, myopic, astute)

that he is white, but I didn't really notice that on cable news. Even on MSNBC, where they did like a 5-10 minute piece on Lawrence O'Donnell, at no time did I hear them mention that he was white.

Furthermore, yeah they guy does look Hispanic, but if he was in NJ, he would look like the a Tony Soprano-type or maybe like a Gypsy. I can almost imagine the him wearing tracksuit in that photo. To be white, he doesn't have to look like a Mitt Romney.

Here's the thing, it's not his race that matters or that of the kid that he shot. What matters here is that Florida has a fucked up law that allows this sort of stuff to happen.

This is shouldn't be a conversation about race, and it certainly shouldn't involve some type of hate crime law. I think the guy is generally just nuts - he called 911 like 40+ times in 2 years and he appointed himself neighborhood watch.

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

John Adams.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 09:54:17 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

What matters here is that Florida has a fucked up law that allows this sort of stuff to happen.

I just read a Dahlia Lithwick piece on Slate about this.  Unfortunately, either Slate is currently down or (more likely) my unreliable server at work is having trouble connecting to it, so I can't provide a link to the article.  After reading it, I'm not so sure the Florida law is to blame.  Not having a duty to retreat is not the same as being allowed to pursue / stalk a person and then being allowed to claim self-defense.  There is no reason to believe based on either Zimmerman's 911 call or that of several other witnesses that he was acting in self-defense.  Zimmerman's call gives every reason to believe that he was the instigator.

I think the guy is generally just nuts - he called 911 like 40+ times in 2 years and he appointed himself neighborhood watch.

This.  Not just 40+ times in two years.  Tens of times (I forget the exact number) on one day.  That alone should have been enough to cast doubt on his "self-defense" story even setting aside that the man lying dead in somebody's yard was unarmed.  At the very least, Zimmerman should have been tested for drugs and alcohol and subject to a psychiatric evaluation.

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

John Adams.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:31:49 AM EST

5.00 (helpful)

Whatever was broken is fixed.  Here's the article I was talking about.

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

keta.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:38:34 PM EST

4.50 (helpful, sentient)

More from the Orlando Sentinel.

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

improper.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:16:28 AM EST

none

I'm not sure if you wanted to link another article (the one you linked wasn't written by Lithwick) but in the article you linked, it is questiong the 'Stand Your Ground', at least in how far it goes.

How did we get to a place where Zimmerman's claim of self-defense, which seems barely plausible, could prevent his arrest? The answer starts with the "Stand Your Ground" law that Florida passed in 2005. The idea was to give people who think they are being threatened the right to use force: They can protect themselves without first trying to retreat. The history behind that controversial idea is actually about gender, not race. It involves the intersection between the fight against domestic violence and the agenda of the National Rifle Association.

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Florida's new law did three things: It further loosened the restrictions on using deadly force at home. It scrapped the duty to retreat in public places. And it gave people who use self-defense civil and criminal immunity. Pushing for these changes, NRA President Marion Hammer focused on women and their need to protect themselves. "You can't expect a victim to wait and ask, `Excuse me, Mr. Criminal, are you going to rape me and kill me, or are you just going to beat me up and steal my television?" she said.

Prosecutors opposed the Stand Your Ground law, and they still complain about it. "It is an abomination," former Broward County Prosecutor David Frankel told the Sun Sentinel in January. "The ultimate intent might be good, but in practice, people take the opportunity to shoot first and say later they had a justification. It almost gives them a free pass to shoot." The quote comes from a story about a former sheriff's deputy, Maury Hernandez, who killed an unarmed homeless man in a Haagen-Dazs shop on a Saturday afternoon. Hernandez, who was with his children, said the man aggressively asked for money and then tried to assault him. Witnesses said Hernandez warned the man several times before taking out his gun and firing multiple times. The police said they wouldn't charge Hernandez for the shooting because he claimed he was under attack.

It's that decision not to press charges that makes Stand Your Ground laws, which a bunch of other states have adopted, a crazy departure from the past. It's one thing to raise self-defense at trial. It's another to have what the Florida Supreme Court calls "true immunity." True immunity, the court said, means a trial judge can dismiss a prosecution, based on a Stand Your Ground assertion, before trial begins.

I found this interesting as well:

*Correction, March 20, 2012: This article originally stated that George Zimmerman is white, but his father says he identifies as Hispanic.

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

John Adams.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:00:56 PM EST

none

Yeah, right article, just my mistake on the author.  I mentioned it in terms of someone whose analysis agreed with your own, but I was saying that (having read it) I wasn't so sure it was the correct conclusion (though it does seem to have become a more popular one in the last 24 hours).

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(Sigh)

keta.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:45:05 AM EST

4.00 (canadian, canadian)

Don't you understand that Urk has focussed on the most important aspect of this sad story because he's trying to save America?

He's a warrior, he is.

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Why are liberal faggots always sighing?

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:07:37 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The racial aspect is the only reason this story is getting widespread attention. When persons of unmentioned race shoot persons of unmentioned race ("46 people were shot in Chicago from last Thursday to Sunday. Nine of those victims died."), it's local news.

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(Bigger Sigh)

keta.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:16:51 PM EST

5.00 (slurred)

Nice one!  Your two favourite slurs in one tiny hed!

Like I said, Urk, you're a real warrior.  I now return you to your fight for America!

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Travis Bickle weeps for you

secretpath.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:15:32 PM EST

5.00 (funny, astute, reductive)

OK, so some vigilante motherfucker who apparently sees menace on every corner appoints himself as a "neighborhood watchman," stalks a kid through the gated community and shoots him without provocation, then (possibly) gets a free pass because of a terribly-written law, and there's nothing unusual or sensational about this at all?

Great. Got it. Local news. Happens every day in your neighborhood, I'm sure. Any other stories you'd like the national media to ignore?

...but since no one was listening, we must begin again.

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Rupert Pupkin laughs at you

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:42:04 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The media routinely ignores crimes perpetrated by blacks against whites, and by blacks against blacks, and it routinely hides the racial aspects of such crimes.

"stalks a kid through the gated community and shoots him without provocation"

You don't know that.

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Re: Rupert Pupkin laughs at you

novy.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:15:08 PM EST

none

Would it really matter to you if it had happened that way?

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Noodles Aaronson smokes with you

secretpath.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 03:14:03 PM EST

none

All true. But that doesn't make the vigilante aspect of the story any less of a ratings bonanza now, does it, Hoss?

...but since no one was listening, we must begin again.

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Re: Why are liberal faggots always sighing?

novy.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:27:27 PM EST

none

This question was rhetorical, right?

Well, maybe not. People sigh when they conclude that someone they want to communicate with either can't or won't understand them. It seems to me that "liberal faggots" correctly conclude that you don't want to understand much of what they say to you, which would naturally elicit sighs.

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Anexetastos

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:50:02 PM EST

none

It wasn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious what faggot liberals are thinking when they resort to sighing, instead of formulating an actual argument. It appears to be a form of signalling to other faggot liberals, because no one who isn't a faggot liberal is impressed by some liberal faggot wheezing.

I understand liberalism better than liberals do. It's the prevailing ideology of our time, and most liberals have unthinkingly accepted it.

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Every Any Which Way

keta.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 02:13:49 PM EST

none

It wasn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious what faggot liberals are thinking...

I understand liberalism better than liberals do.

Bog's bitter breath, you're one are entertaining know-it-all!

Thanks, Urk!

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Gabfest Gorilla

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 02:56:20 PM EST

none

I also understand Communism better than Maoists, and Scientology better than Scientologists.

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Re: Gabfest Gorilla

John Adams.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 03:24:46 PM EST

5.00 (funny, funny, insightful)

I suspect you know more about homosexuality than gay people, too.

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FL, LF, or LSMFT?

novy.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 03:17:22 PM EST

none

Wait, have we been discussing "liberal faggots" (left-leaning or socially-tolerant homosexuals) or "faggot liberals" (metrosexual city-dwellers, or anyone who doesn't own guns)? It makes some difference, you know.

For example, left-leaning homosexuals might sigh at you because you struck them as cute (if you would strike them that way in meatspace). But they might also sigh at you in earshot of one of their colleagues to say, without being too direct, "he doesn't get it" or "he doesn't understand (or like) people like us".

By comparison, urbanites (or men in touch with their feminine side in any way) might sigh at you in earshot of one of their colleagues to say, "Oh, Jesus, one of these arseholes..." or "Isn't it sad that so many people still think this way?" or "I give up, you can't talk to people like this." So who do you mean, liberal faggots or faggot liberals?  

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Re: FL, LF, or LSMFT?

improper.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 03:29:32 PM EST

none

What's more redundant? liberal faggot or faggot liberal?

I want to say that liberal faggot is probably more redundant.

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Re: FL, LF, or LSMFT?

novy.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 04:35:32 PM EST

none

Almost certainly liberal faggot would be more redundant, but still not synonymous. But that alone doesn't tell us what Gadsby intended.

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Very Simple

keta.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:31:22 AM EST

none

Urk intended nothing more than to insult.  

His racist homophobic mind can't accept that a white heterosexual might empathize with people who are mistreated, marginalized or even murdered because of their skin colour or sexual preference.

So Urk resorts to the hoary old standbys like "coon," "nigger" and "faggot" to express his scintillatingly superior mind.

Sad, innit?

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Re: Very Simple

novy.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 12:59:08 PM EST

none

No doubt he intended to be insulting, but he mostly manages to demean himself instead.

Even as he claims supreme knowledge of "liberalism", he claims to have no idea why people around him sigh at him, shaking their heads. If he really understands "liberals" (most of whom empathise with people mistreated, marginalised, or murdered because of their skin colour or sexual preference), surely he knows that most of them feel sorry for him when they hear him speak, right? Yet he asks, with as much hostility as he can muster, why do [people] sigh at me? I tried to tell him in my Post #46 what people might be thinking as they sigh at him ("Oh, Jesus, one of these arseholes..." or "Isn't it sad that so many people still think this way?" or "I give up, you can't talk to people like this.") but have yet to see any sign of response (or self-realisation).

Alf/ Urk/ Gadsby thinks I have no sense of humour, that only he/ Zyx do, but I toy with him on TnT as much as he/ they toy with me. And I always feel gratified when I inspire him to post stuff like "I understand liberalism better than liberals do ... I also understand Communism better than Maoists, and Scientology better than Scientologists." When I read that, in my mind I immediately added "I understand Islam better than Muslims, Hinduism better than Hindus, law better than lawyers, medicine better than doctors, architecture better than architects...."  Mr. Adams was correct to add "I suspect you know more about homosexuality than gay people, too." If he understands Catholicism better than Catholics, he should consider offering himself as potential Pope.

Now if only he understood himself, he would really have something.

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Re: FL, LF, or LSMFT?

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:22:15 PM EST

none

Like they say in the Marines, you're only gay if you're on the bottom.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

thefadd.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:19:42 PM EST

none

I'm around a lot of people who listen to NPR so I end up hearing bits and pieces of NPR accidentally. They seem to be covering this "international incident" as it was referred to as today non-stop and every other word is "white shooter" and "black victim." If I didn't already loath NPR and want it de-funded, I certainly would after this. It's language is exceptionally racially prejudiced and Fox News level inflammatory and offensive.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

thefadd.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:27:20 PM EST

5.00 (astute, hysterical)

Now the liberals are going after the castle doctrine. fabulous. that's the ONLY thing that's behind this story. it's not even racial, it's a gun laws back door topic couched in racial terms so as to control the discussion on politically correct terms. they don't even deserve to be called liberals anymore. they are all socialists and I'm afraid there's nothing left for people who value freedom to do besides leave the Democratic party.

the guy is not white and they've called him white on NPR 17 times today.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Wrong

keta.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:22:25 PM EST

none

No.  What's under fire is the, "stand your ground" law, which was borne out of the "castle doctrine."

From 2000 to 2005, an average of 13 killings by private citizens were deemed justified each year. Between 2006 and 2010 that average increased to 36 killings per year. The highest was in 2009 at 45.

It seems to me that a piss poor law that nearly triples the number of "justified" homicides committed by citizens since its inception just might need some review.

But I'm sure whatever it is that's causing you to lose your shit over this is really important, too.  

they are all socialists and I'm afraid there's nothing left for people who value freedom to do besides leave the Democratic party.

Fucking priceless, Colin.

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Re: Wrong

John Adams.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 06:38:16 PM EST

5.00 (astute, wallowing, astute)

What's under fire is the, "stand your ground" law, which was borne out of the "castle doctrine."

But the idea that a man who is pursuing another person is "standing his ground" is itself absurd.  The only way this can be pinned on the law is if the law is being horribly interpreted.

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Re: Wrong

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 06:49:05 PM EST

5.00 (lawful)

776.013:

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

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Re: Wrong

John Adams.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:14:24 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

Exactly.  So, if Trayvon Martin, who had every right to be where he was when George Zimmerman started chasing him, had had a weapon, he could have legally used it on George Zimmerman.  Unfortunately, it was the paranoid freak who was armed.

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Re: Wrong

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:57:05 PM EST

none

According to police Martin attacked Zimmerman.

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Re: Wrong

John Adams.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:10:16 PM EST

none

According to the police, Zimmerman told them Martin attacked him.  After Zimmerman chased Martin down.  Assuming Zimmerman's not lying (or, judging from his past behavior, telling a delusion-inspired "truth"), Martin's actions were therefore in line with the "stand your ground" doctrine.

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Re: Wrong

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:21:23 PM EST

none

Read that section of the law again.

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Re: Wrong

thefadd.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 06:20:10 PM EST

none

I dunno man, it seems to me there used to be a place in the democratic party for people who thought freedom was call with some reasonable government regulation. Regulating guns, A-ok. Having a crazy idea in your head that "banning" guns is (a) cool or (b) will be even remotely successful, really not on the same planet.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Wrong

improper.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 07:07:25 PM EST

none

Who wants to ban guns?

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Re: Wrong

thefadd.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:17:10 PM EST

none

eric holder for one

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Wrong

improper.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:25:58 AM EST

none

What does he have to do with this story and the 'Stand Your Ground' law?

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

HidingFromGoro.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:20:17 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

#1 don't listen to NPR, it's worse than fox since they try to hide behind ""objectivity"" instead of just coming right out and admitting they are giving audiences what they want to hear.  they certainly aren't socialists though, they're free-market fans through and through, look at the insufferable navel-gazing retraction of the Foxconn story which "coincidentally" came out the day of the Ipad 3 release.  NPR is for well-off white liberals in Portland or Austin to feel like they're smart and "like, really get the issues man."   The Onion pretty much summed up NPR the best.

#2 there's nothing wrong with castle doctrine, the "duty-to-retreat" provisions in home defense laws were pretty stupid and dangerous.  If a liberal complains about castle laws, present a scenario of a battered person defending herself from her abuser; the mental gymnastics will ensue.  That's different from chasing down a kid and killing him while a 911 dispatcher is telling you not to, but I mean in general.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

thefadd.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 06:16:58 PM EST

none

you're confusing "corporate lackeys" with "free market fans," which is a common and understandable mistake these days, especially when it comes to NPR. it's called corporate socialism and they're all for it over there. other than that, yes, you're right.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

improper.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 07:09:19 PM EST

none

If a liberal complains about castle laws, present a scenario of a battered person defending herself from her abuser

You read this in the NRA pamphlet?

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

HidingFromGoro.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:42:55 PM EST

none

I'm not a member, the NRA considers me a subhuman who shouldn't be allowed to own or shoot guns since I happened to catch a case a decade or so ago.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Maybe in printed media they are highlighting

ThePlague.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 07:05:22 AM EST

none

I heard that story and had the same reaction.  My first thought was what if the same thing had happened to microsoft, or any other company that didn't have the hipster-doofus panache of Apple?  Somehow, I doubt they would have bent over quite as far.

They are similar to Fox and MSNBC, though in my estimation that aren't as egregious as those two.  In all cases, even when they are factual, their framing shows their biases very clearly.

the secret to happiness is to have you pay for my cocaine and mountain climbing-p0157

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:38:48 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

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Re: We still have a long way to go

novy.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:12:03 AM EST

none

Which would cease to be funny if CFR had some commission calling for greater objectivity in media.

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John Adams.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:31:46 PM EST

none

On a side note, this woman wins the award for managing to make her 911 call all about herself.

Bonus: she doesn't want to give her name because she doesn't "want to be a witness", but condemns her neighbors who could have done something, could have helped.

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tinsguy.

Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 09:42:48 PM EST

none

17 times?

How would you know?  You clearly stated you only "accidentally" hear "bits and pieces" of NPR.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

thefadd.

Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 06:26:04 PM EST

5.00 (syndicated)

Like I said I was subjected to it a lot that day by multiple people in multiple places. It might have been the same program replayed on a different station at a different time.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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improper.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:18:20 AM EST

none

Backing up alittle: i know I said this probably wasn't a race issue, but there is a 9/11 tape where it seems that Zimmerman makes a comment like "Fuckin' Coons", when he is chasing the kid.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Haggis.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:29:57 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Maybe a raccoon darted across his path as he was chasing the victim, er suspect.  Those critters are dangerous and could have rabies.  Yeah, that's his story and he's sticking to it.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:07:05 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

For some reason a "white" guy shooting a black guy is more newsworthy than that time Alcisviades Polanco stabbed Wathson Adelson with an ice pick.

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Irresponsible, incitive, and prejudicial

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:24:20 PM EST

none

President weighs in, fans the flames: "You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."

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Re: Irresponsible, incitive, and prejudicial

T Slothrop.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:43:28 PM EST

none

"You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."

You know, Hopey may very, very soon regret saying that. (From from Mr. Martin's facebook page before it was taken down. The captions were done by Mr. Martin.)

[I'm not that guy.]

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Broken link fix

T Slothrop.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:37:44 PM EST

none

Apparently copyright issues have forced the original blog I linked to take the photo down. This link is still working as of Sunday 4:30pm EDT.

[I'm not that guy.]

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improper.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:04:18 PM EST

none

Scientific proof that Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law is bad public policy: here.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:09:03 PM EST

none

George Zimmerman's Long, Lonely War Against Black Youths Doing Things.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:17:01 PM EST

none

Map of the crime scene.  

On the 911 call Zimmerman describes Martin running away from him, down toward the back entrance. Martin's father's home was near the back entrance. But notice where the shooting took place. It would appear that after eluding Zimmerman (the 911 tape indicates Zimmerman stopped pursuing when asked to by the police, and besides Zimmerman is fat and slow), instead of going into his father's house Martin went back to find Zimmerman.
 

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Tim Burr.

Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 07:49:21 PM EST

none

I'm done walking around in Florida.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Jackkeefe.

Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 04:20:06 PM EST

none

If George Zimmerman didn't exist, liberals would have had to invent him.  This is their wet dream come to life and you can feel their happiness about it through the television.  This validates a world view that really has nothing to do with reality at this point. Liberals compulsively self identify as fighters  for the downtrodden against the evil man. The problem is liberals now dominate the culture,  Wall Street,  the media, and our educational system.   They need this to be about a white killing an innocent black so badly in order to justify their own self-images as rebels against a system controlled by old white conservative men.  

That's why the media and the moguls of the racial grievance industry went out of their way to call Zimmerman a white. When the ludicrousness of describing him as a white man became apparent, they make sure to call him a white Hispanic.  The New York Times only used that term a handful of times in the last hundred plus years, now its apparently mandatory to call him a "white" Hispanic in every story about him.  If they just called him a Hispanic, the liberals wet dream of a modern day Bull Conner oppressing blacks suddenly loses its potency.   It's been 20 years since Rodney King,  they need a fresh example to keep the meme that whites are oppressing blacks alive.  So if Zimmerman isn't a white, they'll make him one.    

Zimmerman will be lynched for this.  It doesn't matter how much the independent witness corroborates his story or if a video turns up showing Martin chasing Zimmerman, tackling him and beating the shit out him immediately before being shot.  Zimmerman as an oppressive white man is the image that liberals so desperately need to continue their delusional belief that the country is controlled by the evil "other" and not their own kind.   That way, they don't have to take responsibility for their own lives or the country at large.  Its always the evil all powerful conservative white man's fault.  

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:45:05 AM EST

none

It doesn't matter how much the independent witness corroborates his story or if a video turns up showing Martin chasing Zimmerman, tackling him and beating the shit out him immediately before being shot.

  1. There was an independent witness?

  2. Getting your ass kicked by a teenager because you decided to follow him even after 911 told you not to and when he wasn't doing any wrong does not give you the right to shot and kill a dude. That's pussy talk and that's why so many conservatives are pussies. They think that even in a one-on-one matched fight they need a gun to protect themselves, that's the definition of a pussy.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:56:10 PM EST

none

Faulty witness testimony is the leading cause of wrongful incarceration, it's no surprise that the right will turn to its favored tool now that it needs to excuse the Zimmerman shooting.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:54:41 PM EST

none

Racism isn't real, it's a delusional dream of liberals and moguls of the racial grievance industry.  

It's a huge industry, they employ lots of liberals to write comments on Fox News stories, and wherever else the story gets posted.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 12:09:38 PM EST

none

It's a good thing most blacks don't know how to read, otherwise those comments might oppress them.

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1,2,3,4

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 12:12:58 PM EST

none

Jesse declares a Race War:

"How do we go from a moment to a movement that creates fundamental change?" Jackson told the capacity crowd at the Macedonia Missionary Baptist Church in Eatonville. "If it's a moment, we go home. If it's a movement, we go to war."
Is he declaring war on the Mexicans, or on whites, or both?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 01:06:01 PM EST

none

Zimmerman's account. All the evidence supports his take on the events, not that we should let evidence outweigh Obama's hypothetical son looking like Trayvon.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 01:24:19 PM EST

none

He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.

What makes something a "marijuana baggie"?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 02:42:04 PM EST

none

Maybe it still had a little shake in it? Or you could smell the bud in it. I mean if it is the size of a stamp then you can bet it is some type of drug baggie.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 08:19:16 PM EST

none

You've never bought marijuana?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 02:45:55 PM EST

none

Basically Jorge with the Jewish last name thought he was tough because he had a gun, approached a kid taller and stronger than his fat-ass, got his ass kicked because he was following the kid for no reason. Then had to shoot the kid because he's a fat piece of shit.

It's the same thing like a fat guido at a club harrassing a woman with a boyfriend and boyfriend ends up being a 180lb MMA fighter and shits on the fat guido. Zimmerman is the quintessential fat guido who grows balls after he gets a gun, and ends up fucking himself over.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:01:46 PM EST

none

Just because you think someone was following you doesn't mean you can run up and attack them for no reason.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:03:04 PM EST

none

Just because someone is black doesn't mean you can follow them.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:09:14 PM EST

none

If Martin felt threatened he should have called the police from his father's house. Instead he decided to chimp out, and now he's dead.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:14:41 PM EST

none

If Zimmerman would've went home and ate his Tuna Casarole after 911 told him to then he wouldn't have gotten his asskicked and incompetently fired a his gun. And his fatass wouldn't have a price of his head.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:20:02 PM EST

none

He did stop following when the 911 dispatcher told him to. Not only was the shooting justified (hence no charges), by eliminating Martin in all probability Zimmerman prevented future crimes.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 05:31:00 PM EST

none

Not for no reason.  Because you feel threatened.  If you feel threatened, you can.  Florida even has a law on the books saying so.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 05:36:04 PM EST

none

What law is that?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 06:36:07 PM EST

none

It's commonly known as the "stand your ground" law.  You might have heard of it.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 06:43:42 PM EST

none

You have a bizarre conception of what Florida's law is. I linked to it above, try reading it.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 at 07:31:36 AM EST

none

You have a bizarre conception of what Florida's law is

You have a bizarre conception of how it has been interpreted.  Based on those precedents, if Zimmermann approached Martin and he felt threatened (and a witness already testifies that he did, which is at least as reliable as Zimmermann's claim that he was peacefully walking back to his truck), Martin was within his rights to stand his ground and respond with force.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 at 12:39:29 PM EST

none

The Stand Your Ground law doesn't allow you to attack someone based on your feelings.

"and a witness already testifies that he did, which is at least as reliable as Zimmermann's claim"

What, you mean No Limit Nigga's girlfriend, who has been coached by the family lawyer? If it ever gets to a point where she's cross examined, it will be fun watching her try to keep the invented story straight.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 at 08:19:32 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

The Stand Your Ground law doesn't allow you to attack someone based on your feelings.

That's how it's been implemented.  Read the link.

What, you mean No Limit Nigga's girlfriend, who has been coached by the family lawyer?

You know that picture is an admitted fake, right?  You don't?  Here's the retraction.

What it boils down to is on one side we have a man who's demonstrated his paranoia and has quite the arrest history for violent offenses (lucky for him, his daddy's a judge!) and on the other side we have a dead kid who might have possessed marijuana at one point.  You choose to accept the former's story as gospel (and of course any contravening testimony must be coached).  I choose to believe that he just might have a vested interest in twisting the story (and possibly a distorted perception of reality to begin with based on his past behavior) and at the very least the police should have investigated the incident beyond taking his word for it.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 at 07:24:37 AM EST

none

There's also the police report that said the shooter was bruised and bloodied. Perhaps he tripped and fell after the shooting?

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 at 12:45:01 PM EST

none

The evidence, witnesses, and the law support Zimmerman. The police did investigate. There was no probable cause to arrest him. After evaluating the evidence the state attorney's office declined to prosecute. Nothing has been presented by critics indicating that wasn't the proper decision.  

 

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 11:57:43 AM EST

none

The evidence, witnesses, and the law support Zimmerman.

No witness says Martin attacked Zimmerman.  No evidence shows Martin attacked Zimmerman.  The law supports Zimmerman attacking Martin no more than it supports Martin attacking Zimmerman.

The police did investigate.

You're right.  I was mistaken.  And the lead investigator doubted Zimmerman's story.

Nothing has been presented by critics indicating that wasn't the proper decision.

I'm not debating what can be proven in court.  I'm debating your taking Zimmerman's story as gospel despite his previously displayed paranoia, his previous violent episodes, and contrary evidence.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 02:19:03 PM EST

none

I don't take Zimmerman's story "as gospel", the witnesses and the evidence support him. According to police, his calls to them weren't "paranoia", his neighborhood had a lot of crime. Trayvon was a typical negro, and chimping out is typical negro behavior.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 03:04:26 PM EST

none

the witnesses and the evidence support him

No witness supports his claim that Martin attacked him as you insist must be true, nor does the evidence.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 01:22:14 PM EST

none

I can't tell if manufactured events like this and the Fluke thing are merely reflections of social media, or if they are indications liberalism has entered a dangerous new phase.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

improper.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:45:59 PM EST

none

From NRO:

Unless Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter. If such a shooting is justified under Florida's broad self-defense law, that law has licensed violence that goes far beyond legitimate self-defense.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294357/why-manipulate-tragedy-trayvon-martin-heather-mac-donald

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 03:48:04 PM EST

none

Mayor Nutter weighs in, calls shooting an " nothing short of an assassination.". Some perspective.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 at 12:42:09 PM EST

none

It's "complicated":

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area "hiding and being suspicious." Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with "W.T.F" -- an acronym for "what the f---." The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found women's jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a "burglary tool," according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report...


 

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 at 01:35:20 PM EST

none

Justice 4 Trayvon:

North Miami Beach police said surveillance video shows dozens of high school students demonstrating in the Trayvon Martin case Friday ransacking a Walgreens store.

The incident occurred during a walkout from North Miami Beach Senior High School in support of Martin, 17, who was fatally shot in Sanford. Protesters have been calling for the arrest of George Zimmerman, 28, who has not been charged because he claimed self-defense in the shooting, according to police.


Him be Trayvon:
A Millersville University student is charged with severely beating his ex-girlfriend and kidnapping her from a campus dormitory this weekend. Akeem M. Johnson, 24, punched the victim at least 10 times Saturday morning before forcing her from her room at Burrowes Hall and into his car, according to a police affidavit. The victim, also a student, told police that Johnson was mad that "she stayed out all night and (he) could not find her," a Millersville University police officer wrote in the affidavit. The victim, who isn't being identified by the Intelligencer Journal/Lancaster New Era, sustained a split lip and broken teeth...On Friday night, he stood prominently at an on-campus rally regarding the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, holding a sign saying, "I am Trayvon Martin."

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 at 01:17:12 PM EST

none

If Obama wasn't a racist he would tell his friends to stop inciting violence and endangering the lives of innocent people.  

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Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

Haggis.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 at 07:10:25 PM EST

none

And some conservative asshole at the University of Texas is already raping the lad's legacy.  This is the sort of shit a college education buys you these days?  Good thing the artist is in Texas.  If she were practicing her free speech rights in the United Kingdom, she'd be drawn and quartered by the end of the week.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

John Adams.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 03:20:58 PM EST

none

I don't have a problem with that cartoon, but the fact that the author was forced out is sad.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

improper.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 04:50:34 PM EST

none

There's nothing sad about her being forced out. It was a "market" response, and that's what should happen. If you say or do something stupid, you should feel the market response of people shitting on you. She wasn't arrested or anything like that, just told to get the fuck out.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

John Adams.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 07:00:41 PM EST

none

Let me be clear.  I think it's fine for people to respond with their distaste.  I think it's sad that we are so thin-skinned that a simple cartoon was regarded as beyond the pale.  It's not like there isn't some truth to what she was pointing out even though I've generally come down on the other side of the debate here.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

improper.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 04:56:07 PM EST

none

By the way, where's Stephanie Eisner's (ironic that she's german) cartoon about the media coverage of missing blonde girls?

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

John Adams.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 10:16:19 AM EST

none

By the way, where's Stephanie Eisner's (ironic that she's german)

I'm pretty sure Eisner, based on the only other Eisner I know and this picture of her, is Jewish.  While she may also be German, she's definitely not blond.

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improper.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 10:31:07 AM EST

none

I did a search for Eisner name origin and hits seem to be saying it's a German name, not necessarily a Jewish name.

But yeah she could be Jewish as well. And BTW aren't there German brunettes?

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

John Adams.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 11:37:41 AM EST

none

Yeah, sorry.  I read your comment in a mental fog and thought you were making a "perfect Aryan Fraulein" reference.

In my guess, I was going solely off of Michael Eisner and that she looks Jewish to me (obviously a subjective impression).

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

improper.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 07:01:37 PM EST

none

Is Eisner a Jew? That would be some massively ironic considering that Walt Disney was known to be anti-Semite.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

John Adams.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 08:47:41 PM EST

none

Well, I was going only off of my own memory, but an uncited Wikipedia page says he is, too, so take it for what it's worth.

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Re: Trayvon Is Barely Room Temperature.

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 01:13:18 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

The difference is it's sad when blonde girls go missing.  

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Re: We still have a long way to go

MC Nally.

Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:54:06 PM EST

none

I've so far refrained from commenting on this topic because I didn't feel like I had a lot to say on the incident that sparked it all -- I wasn't there to observe it, the facts are in significant dispute, and the only conclusion that I can firmly draw is that it was a tragic and foreseeable mistake that could have been prevented in a number of ways.  I have no way of knowing how much of an influencing factor racism was on George Zimmerman's behavior or Florida state's unusual "stand your ground" law, and those are the two discussion areas that seemed likely to be of general interest.

I still don't have much of an opinion on the shooting of Trayvon Martin.  But when it comes to the media and political feeding frenzy that has erupted because of that shooting, I have been able to observe much more directly and I have found about the only point of agreement I'm going to find with the poster of this story -- we still have a very long way to go indeed.  I've been astonished at some of the flagrantly biased and obviously racially motivated narrative coming from proponents of both sides but frankly shocked by some of the ugliness put forth by Zimmerman's apologists in particular.  It's been eye-opening, though I must confess I don't like what I see.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 02:53:15 PM EST

none

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:02:17 PM EST

none

Negro at the New York Times says Latinos wanting to be white caused the Mexican to shoot the negro.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:24:47 PM EST

none

ABC news concedes video shows injury to Zimmerman's head, fails to mention its earlier misleading reporting.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 09:10:14 AM EST

none

Jew who writes for LA TImes says "Zimmerman pursued and then gunned down the [negro]"  is a "fact" that is "not in contention".

That is a fact, and it's not in contention.  Even Zimmerman doesn't dispute it; to do so would be foolish.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 01:37:11 PM EST

none

If you think that's a factual statement then we have nothing to discuss. I'm not interested in giving remedial reading comprehension lessons.

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Re: We still have a long way to go

John Adams.

Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 02:57:39 PM EST

none

There's nothing to discuss because it's a factual statement and you can't honestly deny it.

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