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Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Posted to Politics on Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 07:43:08 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Say, ladies, do you use birth control? Rush Limbaugh wants you to know that he considers women like you "sluts" and "prostitutes" who should post porno videos of themselves having sex for his viewing amusement:

"So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch."
Outrage was predictable, with Democrats hoping to take political advantage calling on Congressional Republicans to repudiate Limbaugh's slurs.

Presumably those Democrats actually hope Republicans will continue to stand behind Limbaugh, Santorum, and Pope Benedict XVI, turning their party resolutely against use of birth control, especially by women, who should all get married and get pregnant. Left-wingers have dreamed for years that right-wing puritans would finally show their hands, revealing that they still feel just as angry about birth control pills as they ever did about abortion, and now those dreams seem to be coming true. Will embracing opposition to birth control help or hurt Republicans in November?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:30:25 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Fluke should have taken her opportunity to say that "fat, ugly, drug-addicted perverts already have plenty of free porn to masturbate to."

Now that Catholic Ultras have come to define U.S. social conservatism politically (on SCOTUS as in Santorum's campaign), maybe Rush could join Tony Blair, Jimmy Carter, and so many others who have rushed to join since paedophilia scandals became boringly ordinary.

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improper.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 11:55:33 AM EST

none

I'm dead sure Rush has never had non-paid sex.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 03:59:28 PM EST

none

Limbaugh has been married four times and has no children. Point taken.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 08:41:32 AM EST

none

Liberals: humorless as usual.

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:17:46 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I was going to post some offensive sex joke relating to your wife's ethnicity but then thought better of it - but let's assume I did - wouldn't you find that offensive?  This wasn't just a "joke" - this was a direct, pointed attack on women who use birth control.  I doubt Rush actually wants to ban birth control - I doubt he wants to get the whores he fucks and trades oxy pills with preggers - but it was meant to be offensive, and it is.  I don't give Rush a pass because he's an "entertainer" - if you speak at CPAC, if you endorse political candidates, if other conservative commentators quote your "ideas", then you're more than an entertainer, and you don't get a pass on shit like this.

Allons-y!

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:29:24 AM EST

none

It was a direct, pointed attack on a person engaging in politics. The point is easy to understand: If you want to use birth control, go buy some and leave everyone else out of it.

You are almost certainly correct that he doesn't want to ban birth control. The people who are claiming this is about banning birth control (explicitly or in effect) are the liberals - and they are either stupid, ignorant, or disingenuous.

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:35:54 AM EST

none

Oddly enough, Rush hasn't spent nearly as much time ranting about how health plans shouldn't cover Viagra.  One wonders why.

Allons-y!

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:46:17 AM EST

none

Does anyone object to Viagra for religious reasons, or are you one of the ignorant/disingenuous liberals I was talking about?

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:50:06 AM EST

none

Does anyone object to Viagra for religious reasons, or are you one of the ignorant/disingenuous liberals I was talking about?

"So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch."

Did I miss something about religion in there?  Year I realize that the overall context of the debate has to do with religion, but Rush himself just seems like he's out to shame some sluts.  He's not making an argument that has to do with religion, it's all about "If I'm paying..." "let's see your tits" (a bargain I'm sure he's pretty familiar with, which is probably why it popped to mind so readily for him).  So, if I'm paying for Mr. Limbaugh's Viagra, I think he should have to post cock pictures online for all the fags in San Francisco to mock - fair bargain?

Allons-y!

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 12:59:49 PM EST

none

So, if I'm paying for Mr. Limbaugh's Viagra...
That's the point: you shouldn't be paying for anyone's Viagra.

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stevetherobot.

Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:47:06 PM EST

none

Maybe I'm missing something, which is extremely likely since I haven't been paying attention, but isn't the mandate being discussed a requirement that companies offer an employee health insurance plan that includes birth control? And the employee then pays for that insurance plan out of their own pocket? If that is the case, then no one is being forced to pay for horny young college students' birth control or dirty old men's Viagra.

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:27:16 PM EST

none

...companies offer an employee health insurance plan that includes birth control? And the employee then pays for that insurance plan out of their own pocket?
What employer offers such a plan? I'm not saying that none do, but I have never heard of that before.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 10:37:49 AM EST

none

Traditionalist religions don't object to male sexuality, only female sexuality.

Say, you wouldn't be one of those self-delusional/ self-congratulatory "conservatives" I've been reading about, eh? Yeah, I thought so.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:02:04 PM EST

none

Traditionalist religions don't object to male sexuality, only female sexuality
That's obviously untrue. But whatever.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 04:15:30 PM EST

none

All traditional religions I can think of think men should rule over women. In consequence, e.g., if women were caught in adultery, they were killed, but if men were caught, everyone winked.

And things haven't changed all that much, have they? "Ms. Fluke, you slut!" Obvious attack. "Rush Limbaugh, you slut!" He would be proud, wouldn't he?

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wayhip.

Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 02:37:21 PM EST

none

For men, in most cases, you should use a derogatory term implying they are sodomites. Like "Limbaugh is a fat loudmouth junky <insert term here> who married his HS math teacher. What does that tell you about his mommy issues? What sort of relationship did he have while in HS? Married 4 times, that makes 3 trophy wives who tend to marry for money and so are no more than live in hookers." And so on. Really now, anyone who hangs out on the internet could do as well or better than what I just wrote.

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zyxwvutsr.

Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 07:10:09 PM EST

none

...anyone who hangs out on the internet could do as well or better than what I just wrote
That wasn't "anyone." That was novy.

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novy.

Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 09:04:18 PM EST

none

"That was novy" not even attempting to insult Rush Limbaugh or his TnT dittoheads and apologists, although like their smarmy patron saint they live to be insulting themselves. Oh, to be half as wonderful as you and Rush!

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novy.

Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 09:00:03 PM EST

none

What I hoped I was saying was that when women get accused of being sexual, people consider it insulting, while when men get accused of being sexual, they feel proud. Obviously, better insults of Limbaugh would be available than that he had too much sex.

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wayhip.

Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 04:04:26 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

He could be referred to as a woman hating gelding.

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Too much sex

wayhip.

Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 04:07:41 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

How about "Rush Limbaugh has had so much sex his fingers have callouses."

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HidingFromGoro.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:19:47 AM EST

none

Well given the state of "religion" in America, it's not surprising they don't.  

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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John Adams.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:47:32 AM EST

none

Has anyone been demanding a government mandate that health plans cover Viagra?

I don't say that facetiously.  Prior to the new regulation, did most plans provide prescription medication with no co-pay?  Does this new mandate decree no co-pay for all prescriptions or is birth control a special case?

(If the answer to the second question is "yes", then I think that's stupid, but concede that the Left might have some ground to stand on.  If the answer to the second question is "no", then I think the Left, while winning the PR battle, is being patently absurd.)

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 10:00:16 AM EST

5.00 (explanatory)

Preventative services and drugs are covered with no co-pay.  Viagra is unlikely to be offered with no co-pay, but I believe will likely be covered under the prescription plan.  So, your point is largely correct, but I will point out that my bringing up Viagra was in the context of Rush's specific quote and not out of a general desire to draw an equivalence between Viagra and birth control pills.  Since Rush was complaining about paying to make it easier for someone else to have sex, I think in that limited sense the Viagra comparison holds, since even if Viagra does have a co-pay, the fact that it's covered at all means that we're "paying for it" (even if not as much as we'd be paying for the pill.

Allons-y!

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John Adams.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 10:03:59 AM EST

none

Got it.  That makes sense.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 11:20:22 AM EST

none

It was a direct, pointed attack on most (secular) voting-aged American women, almost all of whom have used some form of ("artificial") birth control at one time or another. Rush and his (male) followers don't seem to understand that women can and do vote, and that dissing them wholesale may have unpleasant political consequences. Please don't misunderstand, I do appreciate that Republicans and some of their most charismatic spokesmen seem not to want any non-white, non-male, non-puritan votes this year. I didn't want them to win anyway.

Maybe Rush doesn't want to ban birth control, but lots of women who might have voted Republican will hate him for what he said, and take him at his word that right-wing Republicans think that women who use birth control should appropriately be called sluts and prostitutes. Since so many right-wing Republicans actually DO want to ban birth control, it will serve those [Republicans who have nodded and winked at this type of talk] that don't [want to ban it, or don't care about birth control at all] right to be thought of as anti-birth control anyway. Like Rush. Like you, if you choose to confute hate speech with "humour".

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John Adams.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 11:38:37 AM EST

none

and take him at his word that right-wing Republicans think that women who use birth control should appropriately be called sluts and prostitutes

Not that it makes it more appropriate, but he said that women who want to use birth control paid for by somebody else are sluts.  (It doesn't even make sense, following the logic of the old joke that can manage to offend both genders: "A slut will have sex with anyone, a whore will have sex with anyone for money, and a bitch will have sex with anyone but you.")

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:05:04 PM EST

none

...he said that women who want to use birth control paid for by somebody else are sluts
No, he was suggesting that someone who claims to pay $1,000 per year on contraception is probably having a LOT of sex.

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improper.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:54:12 PM EST

none

Honestly, I'm not taking Rush's side on this, but that kind of threw me off as well. Birth control is what like $40 a month? So that's like $480 a year. Where the hell does other $520 come from? Are you really buying that many condoms?

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:59:19 PM EST

none

Maybe she's including the cost of lube.

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improper.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 02:04:15 PM EST

none

Haha nice

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 03:51:23 PM EST

none

Neither you nor he have no idea what contraception costs, I guess.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 04:25:13 PM EST

3.00 (dry)

Or lube, for that matter.

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 04:31:39 PM EST

none

eh, I find the $1k figure puzzling as well.  Retail from a legit online pharmacy for one of the more common pill formulations is about $40 a month, and that seems about right for what my impression of brick and mortar stores charge as well.  I guess that maybe they're including the cost of an OB/GYN workup, but that shouldn't be more than $150 or $200 at most.

Allons-y!

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 04:51:07 PM EST

none

If bare minimum prices for gynecological care and birth control, as you have calculated them, result in ordinary average expenditure of about $650 to $700, with no health complications of any kind to attend to and no special tests needed for any diagnostic purposes, it wouldn't take very much effort to find someone (perhaps millions of someones) whose average yearly expenditures on gynecological treatment and birth control would exceed $1,000.

Saying that all such women were having too much sex, as Rush did, when amount of sexual activity has no bearing on costs of medical care or of birth control (with most forms of birth control), intentionally misrepresents reality.

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port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 05:53:41 PM EST

none

I'm with you on all that, I just think she could have framed her argument better if she'd used more average figures.  

Allons-y!

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 06:42:40 PM EST

none

Her employer should also be required to cover the cost of her lattes. With no co-pay.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 07:09:59 PM EST

none

"[H]er employer"? You mean her university? She'll be in DC anyway, so she could always get her lattes at Obama's White House.

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gameCoder.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 05:20:09 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

What about Yasmin?
Using your online pharmacy link, I found Yasmin costs $86 for 28 pills, and even the generic costs $72.  And of course remember that 28 pills does not equal a month, so you actually have to multiply by 13 instead of 12.  So Yasmin is about $1118/year and the generic is about $936/year.  Now I'm not going to debate how a woman ends up taking one birth control instead of another, but these numbers are obviously possible.

-your resident female (you forgot I was here, didn't you?)

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zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 06:56:14 PM EST

none

Birth control pills cost $9 per month at the Target 3 miles from the Georgetown campus. That's with no copay, no insurance.

A better question is whether anything Ms. Fluke "testified" about was truthful.

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:15:05 PM EST

none

Not all "birth control pills" can/ should be given to all patients, otherwise gynecological visits and prescriptions would be unnecessary.

Does your wife use $9 birth control pills?  

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zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:37:38 PM EST

none

Not all "birth control pills" can/ should be given to all patients, otherwise gynecological visits and prescriptions would be unnecessary
No shit, Sherlock. Is $1K/yr the average? (You have no idea, of course.)

Does your wife use $9 birth control pills?
No. Does you mom?

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:54:35 PM EST

none

No, my mom wore combat boots.

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zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:38:31 PM EST

none

Not all "birth control pills" can/ should be given to all patients, otherwise gynecological visits and prescriptions would be unnecessary
No shit, Sherlock. Is $1K/yr the average? (You have no idea, of course, but that doesn't deter you from commenting.)

Does your wife use $9 birth control pills?
No. Does you mom?

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:55:10 PM EST

5.00 (paired)

No, my mom wore combat boots.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 03:29:57 PM EST

none

It's curious neither you, nor the other Canadian, have mentioned the fact that Canada's National Health service doesn't provide "free" birth control for all women, particularly given how emotional both of you are about it.

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 04:29:38 PM EST

none

Oh, stop it already:

"While American bishops oppose the imposition of mandates to provide insurance for contraception, Canada's single-payer medicare system already makes taxpayers -- Catholic and non-Catholic alike --  fund abortion on demand, even if Catholic hospitals are not forced to perform them. Canadian taxpayers do not pay for all contraception, though family physician Dr. Barbara Powell said birth control pills and other contraceptive services are provided to women on social assistance, and are available free through many municipal clinics. Many doctors hand out free samples. 'Any resourceful woman in Ontario can obtain free contraception,' she said."

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 04:42:38 PM EST

none

"birth control pills and other contraceptive services are provided to women on social assistance"

The Obama HHS mandate is for employer provided insurance, meaning "free" birth control for women who have the means to purchase it for themselves.

"Any resourceful woman in Ontario can obtain free contraception,' she said."

That's true in America, too. Obviously Sandra Fluke isn't resourceful.

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:04:37 PM EST

none

In Canada, getting birth control pills involves what you would call co-pay. We pay something, but not full price. People who can't afford to pay don't really have to. (Let's not even talk about abortion.)

Folks like you would call that Socialism. Do you really want to argue that Canadian health care should be considered more socially conservative than what Obama wants? Really?

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:15:47 PM EST

none

A co-pay? You mean like women with insurance in the US have?

"Folks like you would call that Socialism"

I call it an outrage Canadian women are being denied birth control. A co-pay is denying women birth control. A co-pay is the equivalent of putting a barb wire fence around the vagina. Why aren't you and hockey head outraged? You are both so passionate about the situation here.

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 06:02:19 PM EST

none

You call keta "hockey head" but you have no cute toss-off term of derision for me? One of my Jewish friends tells me that I should now compare myself to (or even identify with?) "chopped liver". [Do I remind you of chopped liver? Have you ever tasted chopped liver? It sounds horrible.]

Maybe I've accused you unfairly, though. Maybe you have used toss-off term(s) of derision for me elsewhere on TnT, but I just haven't run across them yet. Links?

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 06:12:31 PM EST

none

Besides jackass? I think I once described a pretentiously stupid comment by some other posters as being "novyesque".

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 06:19:36 PM EST

none

Excellent. So hockey head and jackass get to represent Canada here, at least for you. I feel better.

But I seem to remember several other Canadians, especially British Columbians, on this board. What happened to them?

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:10:54 PM EST

none

How worked up can I really get about Canadian health care? I love it.

[In my mom's day, pills were free and/or unavailable. You couldn't get them for $9/pack at Target in Minsk. And if you could, you wouldn't have been able to afford them.]

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:24:07 AM EST

none

Which would be yet another example of 21st century Republican anti-Science in action. Except for condoms, which don't even work as reliably as most other forms of birth control, how much sex you have doesn't have any effect on pricing of birth control. You know that as well as anyone else here.

That hasn't stopped you from repeating this obvious canard, of course, because like most conservatives these days, you have little regard or use for facts. You say what feels good, and if anyone notices that you have effectively lied, you just repeat yourself and hope that what you say three times becomes true.

I'll remind you what your scientific opinions seem worth to me, with reference to this discussion, when next you need to jump in and defend Alf for his scientific accuracy when he argues for white supremacy.

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improper.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:37:03 AM EST

none

Except for condoms, which don't even work as reliably as most other forms of birth control

Link?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:02:05 PM EST

none

Sorry. I thought this was common knowledge.

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zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 01:51:36 PM EST

none

This is not a scientific discussion. Nor am I a conservative.

If I had lied, "effectively" or otherwise, you should be able to explain the lie.

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:35:31 PM EST

none

Any discussion where people assert that people who spend more money on birth control must be having more sex than others "is not a scientific discussion", for sure.

Shall I start calling you "right-wing" instead of conservative?

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:57:27 AM EST

none

If this had all been about money, Rush would have called Fluke "Socialist", "Communist", "Big Spender". What did he actually call her? "Slut". "Prostitute".

You can't even figure out whether "[i]t was a direct pointed attack on a person in politics" or some sort of joke, as you claimed at first. I go with your second explanation: it was increasingly-typical right-wing slander against people you don't like. Funny, my arse. Intended to injure, and then when it does injure, your sort hides behind smiles and disingenuous lies. GOP SOP, if you will.

Right-wing politics in America has been in process of producing mostly poisonous fumes for some time. Anger and slander at almost everyone (outside your club). Conspiracies about everything. Made-up (and outright false) "facts" about almost everything. No women, blacks, Hispanics, urbanites, or secular Americans need apply to your patriotic coalition. We'll see where this all leads you.

In 20 years, I predict history won't be on your side. And you (and your collection of political colleagues, including religious nuts of all flavours, even as you claim personal atheism) will have deserved and earned it by your undisguised contempt for most other people. Ebenezer Scrooge thought he was cool too when he responded to calls for humanity with "Humbug". We'll see how things turn out when you grow up.

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zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 01:54:22 PM EST

none

You can't even figure out whether "[i]t was a direct pointed attack on a person in politics" or some sort of joke...
It is quite obviously both.

In 20 years, I predict history won't be on your side
What side is that?

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novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 04:35:57 PM EST

none

It was so obviously not funny, to Rush or to anyone else, that your assertion just falls into "say it three times and it becomes true" territory. "Pointed attacks" seldom tickle many funny bones except yours.

Definitely not whatever side New Jersey Democrats would be on. You ceaselessly shill for right-wingers here. That makes you right-wing in my book regardless of what you call yourself.

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novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 10:43:28 AM EST

none

Conservatives: vicious twits who imagine themselves superior to others even as they unceasingly demonstrate just how screwed up they feel. Liberals: all out to get you/Alf, what with you being so very important.

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HidingFromGoro.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:17:50 AM EST

5.00 (insightful)

In many ways they're as much victims as anything else.  Many years and many billions of dollars were spent on telling them what to think, and that time/money wouldn't have been spent in the first place if the messaging didn't work.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Haggis.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 11:40:12 AM EST

none

Ken, predictable as ever.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Golly!

keta.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:48:14 PM EST

none

Good thing all those liberal NFL team owners are humourless as well!

And really, Ken, the Ann Coulter defence is about as disingenuous as it gets.  Which is why you employ it, I suppose.

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Re: Golly!

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:54:47 PM EST

none

What "defense"? I think they're both buffoons.

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natophonic.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 10:48:13 AM EST

5.00 (sharp, funny, funny)

college girl who uses birth control pills: slut

fat old man caught with mislabeled viagra while on sex tour: job creator

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Rush Apologises?

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 09:58:48 PM EST

none

Talk about rapid evolution of one's POV.

Wednesday: "What does it say about the college coed ... who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex."

Thursday: "If we're going to have to pay for this, then we want something in return, Ms. Fluke. And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we're getting for our money.... Who bought your condoms in junior high?"

Friday: "Amazingly, when there is the slightest bit of opposition to this new welfare entitlement being created, then all of a sudden we hate women. We want 'em barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. And now, at the end of this week, I am the person that the women of America are to fear the most."

Saturday: "For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.... My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."

By Saturday, six advertisers had pulled sponsorship of Limbaugh's show and Republicans distanced themselves from the comments.

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Our school doesn't understand our needs

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:47:41 PM EST

none

I don't understand why she was testifying. She's not an expert, and from what I can tell the HHS contraception mandate does not apply to universities.

Fluke testified:

"Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school...[one student] told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance...Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception."

Who knew women attending elite law schools were such victims. I think Ms. Fluke exaggerates, but using her figures the cost is $83 a month. She can't come up with $83 a month? Someone please explain why anyone should care when there are so many truly need people in the world.

Also, her anecdotes strike me as fiction. For example:

One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn't covered on the insurance and she assumed that that's how Georgetown's insurance handle all of women's reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn't go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn't going to cover something like that - something that was related to a woman's reproductive health.
I really don't think that happened.

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Re: Our school doesn't understand our needs

improper.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 01:57:43 PM EST

none

Yeah, me either. It doesn't help your cause to make a poster child out of a woman with hard to believe stories.

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Re: Our school doesn't understand our needs

port1080.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 05:54:42 PM EST

none

from what I can tell the HHS contraception mandate does not apply to universities.

Actually, it apparently does.  

Allons-y!

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Re: Our school doesn't understand our needs

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 05:58:39 PM EST

none

Thanks for the correction.

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Tangential

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 02:18:12 PM EST

none

If everything Democrats have said about public employee health care and birth control mandates is true, this can only be interpreted as Democrats deliberately denying vital medical care to veterans of our armed forces.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 03:36:11 PM EST

1.00 (wrong)

Limbaugh's remarks were loutish, but the amount of outrage seems disproportionate given that liberals believe there is nothing wrong with promiscuity or being a sex worker.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 11:55:10 PM EST

none

"Limbaugh's remarks were loutish..."  Yeah, they really were.  I might not judge someone for being promiscuous or even for charging for sex, but accusing someone who has not done these things of doing them constitutes bearing false witness against one's neighbour, at best.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

redshift.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:07:08 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

If to be a liberal one has to believe all the things you claim liberals believe, I'm not sure there are any.  

There ain't no good guy. There ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree - Jim Krueger

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 02:48:32 PM EST

none

This is not an atypical liberal opinion: "Limbaugh's words were not merely insults (though one could argue that in an enlightened world slut and prostitute should not be insults but instead a sexually liberated woman's prerogative)."

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 09:18:56 PM EST

none

So, you now consider CSICOP "liberal"? Do you consider "rationalism" and "atheism" liberal too?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

Ephraim Gadsby.

Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:17:13 PM EST

none

Maybe he's a neo-Nazi. Maybe neo-Nazis coined the "non-judgemental" term "sex worker". Maybe neo-Nazis organize those "Slut Walks".

Most outspoken atheists are liberals. If you mention right wing atheists to them, they get uneasy.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:27:32 PM EST

none

Usually you and Zyx can be counted on to hate anything that you label "liberal". I thought you liked CSICOP and I thought you were atheist, so I figured you wouldn't call that organisation or that form of thought "liberal". I was plainly wrong.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 01:44:01 PM EST

none

That was an obviously liberal opinion.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 03:14:31 PM EST

none

And I thought I was liberal. Oh, well.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

improper.

Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 10:18:30 AM EST

none

Right-wing Atheist is just another word for Wall Street Banker or Ex-Marine.

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Speaking of slut accusations

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 03:40:54 PM EST

none

Remember this, and this?
 

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Re: Speaking of slut accusations

novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 08:20:28 PM EST

none

Yes, but why would any reasonably attractive young woman (like Ms. Fluke) claim to have slept with Rush Limbaugh? Ich.

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Facts

keta.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 07:19:05 PM EST

none

Publically funded birth control saves money.

Effective contraception for women grows the economy.

I now return you to the hand wringing and teeth knashing of religious white men who cannot stand the thought that women, somewhere, might be having sex and enjoying it.

(And isn't it nifty that when the GOP most needs leadership on fixing the economy and creating jobs, they focus instead is on issues that most developed countries in the world put behind them decades past.)  

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Re: Facts

Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 03:27:00 PM EST

none

You should send that first link to Sandra Fluke, as she's obviously unaware of all the affordable birth control options that are available.

"they focus instead is on issues"

This controversy is a creation of the Obama administration's irrational insistence on subsidizing a Democratic constituency and imposing liberal morality on everyone.

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Re: Facts

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 04:52:00 PM EST

none

With Republican presidential candidate Santorum openly opposing birth control, with Catholic bishops making opposition to birth control central to their moral mandate in America and with every Republican candidate supporting them in opposing any contraceptive mandate, and with Republican spokesmen like Rush Limbaugh slandering women who advocate contraceptive coverage, if Obama's campaign hadn't tried to take advantage of Republican extremism it would have been guilty of political malfeasance.

Rush says he doesn't want to ban birth control, but his attack on Ms. Fluke shows that he supports those who do want to ban it against those who don't, just like you and Zyx.

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Re: Facts

Ephraim Gadsby.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:02:46 PM EST

none

There has been no effort to ban birth control. A month ago the Obama administration decided that women with employer provided insurance should get "free" birth control, and the brainless left wing herd immediately decided that any exemptions to this unnecessary and inefficient policy is an infringement of women's rights. The Left is unable to tolerate anyone who dissents from its morality.

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Re: Facts

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:26:49 PM EST

none

"There has been no effort to ban birth control" because there would be more political support for legalising heroin in America than there would be for criminalising birth control. People who think of birth control as immoral, like Santorum, like Rush, and like Pope Benedict XVI and his bishops, would have to spend lots of time changing opinions to have any chance of changing either American laws or American customs.

That process of trying to change opinions has already begun in earnest. Sex with no possibility of pregnancy offends God, says one of Republicans' top two candidates for president; women who use birth control have lots of sex, which makes them sluts and prostitutes, says charismatic right-wing bloviator; and "freedom of religion" has become another way of saying don't interfere with how we treat our women.

And so Obama, quite sensibly, picked his fight over this social issue rather than, say, gay marriage or medical marijuana or something more genuinely controversial. And that naturally perturbs those social conservatives that wish their side had picked its fight better.  

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What's wrong with sluts?

thefadd.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 07:59:40 PM EST

none

Seriously, who doesn't like sluts? I guess it's kinda like that racist Obama joke...

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: What's wrong with sluts?

novy.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 08:27:34 PM EST

none

Plainly, Rush Limbaugh doesn't admit to liking sluts, at least in public.

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Re: What's wrong with sluts?

thefadd.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 09:37:42 PM EST

none

Well, that's probably one reason why he's so fat and uncool.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: What's wrong with sluts?

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:00:02 AM EST

none

Point taken.

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We Have a Competition!

keta.

Fri Mar 02, 2012 at 08:16:25 PM EST

none

Darrell Issa is now officially in the running to unseat Eric Cantor as Dumbest Cunt On The Hill.

Here's a backgrounder on past douchebaggery.  He's a Real Gem.

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HidingFromGoro.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 12:27:59 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Wow yet another problem caused by the lack of national UHC system.  

Maybe one day we'll learn.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

thefadd.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:16:38 AM EST

none

Yeah, it's a huge priority of mine that it's a "problem" that the government won't make people give other people shit for free when they could pay for it themselves if it were important to them when the problem is the government in the first place.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

HidingFromGoro.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:40:09 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I had you figured for someone who wanted as few unwanted pregnancies as possible- what with all the government spending that comes along with them in the form of child tax credits, WIC, food stamps, child support enforcement, family court, S-CHIP, and all.  But if you want to put your tax money where your mouth is in order to advocate for some insurance executive to save $39.99 by not covering some BC pills, or if you for whatever reason want folks to get abortions instead taking the pills... have at it.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

thefadd.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:16:01 PM EST

none

This whole discussion is a sideline to the fact that no one should be taking the pill. It's an exceptionally dangerous pharmaceutical with serious long term medical implications for the woman and her off spring if/when she chooses to. It's more like fluoride in the water to me -- no informed, intelligent upper middle class woman takes the pill. No one I've ever dated over the long term has and I would not want a significant long term relationship with a woman who did. Liberals continue to show how easily they are bought into the rising corporate social structure with a few "free" social rights.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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HidingFromGoro.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 07:28:10 PM EST

5.00 (duplicative)

Is this some kind of joke?  It seems sincere but then there's the part about fluoride so I just don't know anymore.

Also I was apparently mistaken twice in my other post- I had you confused with a "no social spending" poster and meant to say "company" instead of "executive," but that's more semantics than anything.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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John Adams.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 11:03:48 PM EST

none

no informed, intelligent upper middle class woman takes the pill.

I would describe every woman I've ever dated as informed, intelligent, and middle or upper middle class.  Every one of them was or is on the pill or the patch (not sure if there's a better name for that, but it's roughly analogous to the pill, just with a greater hormone release).  Several of them were medical doctors (perhaps that indicates they're in Big Pharma's pocket and willing to sacrifice themselves to support that master?) and almost certainly had more complete information about the product than the general population; they're well aware of any downsides of the use and have judged them to be outweighed by the benefits.  What contraceptive method do you recommend?

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joshv.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 06:20:08 AM EST

none

Yeah, my sample doesn't support thefadd's claim either.  Or maybe my girlfriends were all stupid, lower class sluts by thefadd's standards?

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thefadd.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:45:47 PM EST

none

no sluts are always high class

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

thefadd.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:46:41 PM EST

none

I think you answered your own question

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

John Adams.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 01:28:12 PM EST

none

???

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

John Adams.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 01:32:49 PM EST

none

My question may have seemed facetious, but it wasn't intended that way.  I'm curious as to what, if any, contraceptive methods you promote since hormonal (or is it just the pill?) methods seem so bad to you.  Barriers?  Rhythm method?  Something else entirely?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

thefadd.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:25:01 PM EST

none

The money spent on those government programs is paltry. I'm not sure why you would think I'd be opposed to any of them. I've been on food stamps myself. It's a great program. Personally, I'd probably expand it.

I should be surprised given your myopic approach to the topic but do you really think it's the insurance executive who pays?

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:37:45 AM EST

none

We've gone from we need national health care so poor children don't die to we need national health care so professional feminists attending $23,432 per semester law schools can get free birth control.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

joshv.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 06:26:34 AM EST

none

Why do you hate women?

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HidingFromGoro.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 10:35:27 PM EST

none

I agree, college costs are out of control- although maybe that's the plan since a 4yr degree isn't the same caliber of class signal as it once was?

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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gerrymander.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 01:50:04 AM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Somebody should organize a protest. No, a march! Liberal women everywhere could take part! They could dress in respectable clothing, and carry signs proclaiming their participation in the "I'm Not A Slut Walk".

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 09:31:42 PM EST

none

Or all liberal women and most other women could just vote for Obama in November to let conservatives know just how they feel about being pissed on by sexists.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

Tim Burr.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:31:43 AM EST

5.00 (passionate)

Rush Limbaugh is so clearly an idiot. His following are idiots. Just a few months ago he stated that Herman Cain was being wrongly treated in the press over his "On the Record" sexual harassment settlements. He blamed the liberal media for provoking those 3 women to came forward with evidence of being sexually harassed. Cain obviously went way over the line in his treatment of female employees expecting sex for promotional and traveling duties. Just a regular guy in Rush Limbaugh's world.

Then 4 months ago Rush was telling us "If Rick Perry gets in the race for President, the things over.

Now he is zeroing in on Sandra Fluke who attends law school at Georgetown, "She's having so much sex she can't afford contraception." Does he realize it's a one pill a day regimen, if you do or do not have sex? It costs exactly the same whether someone has a lot of sex or no sex at all. Rush clearly has no idea of what he is talking about and his "ditto head" followers have an even more pathetic grasp of the planet around them.

He just called American grandmas, mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts and nieces sluts.He just called over 100 million registered voters sluts.

 On Friday, the House speaker, John A. Boehner, called the Limbaugh comments "inappropriate." Geez Mr. House speaker that is the best you  can do? How about disgusting, revolting, ghastly, dead wrong, deserving being reviled?

A perfect opportunity to do the right thing arises once again if any Republican presidential candidate has the fortitude to tell Rush Limbaugh to shut the fuck up and apologize to the women of our Country. It's none of his or any of us male citizens place to ever belittle, bully or classify humans at this level.

 Continue on republicans and carry out your policies of personal attacks on regular citizens. What a horrible group of candidates. It's become beyond embarrassing and headed straight into just mean guys who'd do anything to run our lives.

 

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 09:47:56 AM EST

3.00 (dumb, astute)

..."She's having so much sex she can't afford contraception." Does he realize it's a one pill a day regimen, if you do or do not have sex? It costs exactly the same whether someone has a lot of sex or no sex at all
You've never heard of a "joke"?

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

novy.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:20:11 AM EST

none

He wasn't kidding. He explained why he considered those words accurate, and has continued to assert that his remarks were accurate. He hasn't suggested even once that he was joking. If you can believe he was joking, you can sell yourself any bill of goods you find emotionally gratifying. Of course, I've watched you do that here more than once.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

Haggis.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:30:20 AM EST

none

You know how I know you think Dane Cook is hil-fucking-larious?

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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improper.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:32:58 AM EST

none

Fuck I hate Dane Cook.

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In Your Defense.

Haggis.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:35:55 AM EST

none

I didn't notice you chortling over Rush's "joke".

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

natophonic.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 01:26:35 PM EST

none

The first I'd heard of or seen Dane Cook was when his "In the Round" show aired on TV. We watched for a while, then I turned to my wife and said that this guy came off like a youth pastor with pantheon of personal demons who's awkwardly trying really hard to dress and talk like the kids, and who's going to start telling us HOW AWESOME God is. Another 5-10 minutes into his routine, Cook launched into a bit about how annoying atheists are. Now that was hilarious!

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Re: Rush: Sluts Use Birth Control

thefadd.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:18:18 AM EST

none

Again, what's wrong with sluts?

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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improper.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:34:12 AM EST

5.00 (anal)

They should be taking it in the butts? To avoid having to use birth control.

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That pussy Rush apologized

improper.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:10:00 PM EST

none

LOS ANGELES | Sat Mar 3, 2012 6:14pm EST

(Reuters) - Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, facing heavy criticism for branding a law student a "slut" over her remarks on President Barack Obama's new policy on contraception, apologized on Saturday.

The furor prompted Obama to call the Georgetown University student, Sandra Fluke, on Friday to express his support.

"My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir," Limbaugh said in a written statement. "I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/03/us-usa-contraception-limbaugh-idUSTRE8220T220120303

Probably under threat from more sponsors pulling their ads and also the threat of a lawsuit from the woman:

Sandra Fluke said Friday that she is entertaining the possibility of a suit against the conservative talk show host.

"I've certainly been told I might have a case, but it's not something I've made any decisions about at this point," the 30-year-old Georgetown University law student told The Daily Beast.

...

The possibility of a lawsuit over Limbaugh's remarks was floated Friday by Rep. Carolyn Maloney, a Democrat from New York. Introducing a speech by Sen. John Kerry at New York Law School, Maloney said "we will be filing a slander suit against Rush Limbaugh. What he's really trying to do is silence a young woman. It's unfair, it's un-American." Maloney also suggested that Sybil Shainwald, a prominent women's-rights attorney, would be the perfect counsel for the case.

Allison Yarrow on Rush Limbaugh's slut shaming.

Legal experts say Fluke's case could be strengthened by the fact that she would likely be considered a private citizen, not a public figure. Private citizens are entitled to stronger protections against slander than celebrities, politicians and others who lead highly visible lives.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/02/birth-control-advocate-sandra-fluke-isn-t-scared-of -rush-limbaugh.html

I hope she sues the Oxycontin and Viagra out of him.

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You Heartless Liberal Scalawag.

Haggis.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 09:11:38 PM EST

none

"I hope she sues the Oxycontin and Viagra out of him."

He'd have nothing left.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Well, That Was Quick.

Haggis.

Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 09:48:34 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

After he found himself bleeding advertisers Rush blinked.  Nothing like a non-apology apology to heal our wounds.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Re: Well, That Was Quick.

novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:51:47 PM EST

none

If not necessarily to heal his. None of those seven advertisers who have now set sail on Rush plan to come back now that he has apologised. It almost makes me wonder why he bothered, considering how rarely he has ever apologised for anything previously.

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You got Fluked

Ephraim Gadsby.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:16:22 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

It turns out Fluke is a 30 year old professional feminist who intentionally went to Georgetown so she could be oppressed by its contraception policies:

Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college's health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. "I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care," says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. The issue got the university president's office last spring, where Georgetown declined to change its policy.

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:55:25 PM EST

none

And you could have counted on Georgetown's President and administration to support Republicans' efforts to exempt them from any requirement to provide contraceptive coverage to students, at least until Rush opened his big fat mouth. If only Rush hadn't been so hot for Fluke, he might have come up with some more effective approach before making himself and his followers look like women-hating bullies.

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:00:53 PM EST

none

It turns out that Rush would have been just as willing to savage some entirely innocent and naive young lady who testified inconveniently before Congress as he was to savage someone who turned out to be "a ... professional feminist". You would too.

How comforting it must be that Fluke has political opinions and connections, since you can feel more comfortable saying misogynistic things about her now, as if "conservative" women won't notice or feel nervous.

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Re: You got Fluked

thefadd.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:19:34 PM EST

none

That's despicable.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: You got Fluked

zyxwvutsr.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:00:40 PM EST

3.67 (wrong, brilliant, funny)

Also: in her "testimony" she related an anecdote about a "friend" who needed birth control pills despite being a lesbian. How lucky for the nation that the Democrats managed to find such a perfect "witness" for their "hearing"!

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:43:26 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

How unlucky for Congressional Republicans that, after setting up their hearing so that no inconvenient (i.e., pro-Democrat) voices would be heard, one voice opposing them was somehow heard anyway. And how amazingly unlucky for Republicans that that one relatively inexperienced voice (Democrats could have gotten any number of doctors or lawyers to testify, yet they went with someone in law school) made them look worse than any professional could have.

You and your up-modding "friends" seem pretty excited with how well your side's attacks on Ms. Fluke have gone. Kind of like Patriots fans high-fiving one another about how their team will destroy those upstart Giants, except in mid-February, two weeks after Super Bowl XLVI. 63% of Americans now support Obama's contraceptive plan, that'll show those stupid feminazis! Great work, team!

Lots of physical conditions can be treated with estrogen or progesterone, active ingredients in what we call birth control pills. Women who experience extreme pain during menstruation often need these pills as well. Thus, lots of women who don't engage in any sexual activity, or never engage in sexual activity with men, might still need to take them. I would be extremely surprised if you didn't know that as well as I do, so excuse me if I don't include links. Yet, like so many other Republicans and right-wingers lately, you wallow in anti-Science and casual bigotry, as if you don't know any better: "Look at that Lesbian who wastes my money using birth control pills!"

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thefadd.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:04:58 PM EST

none

estrogen or progesterone, active ingredients in what we call birth control pills

ingredients better found naturally outside of a costly pharmaceutical but don't mind the democratic cronyism.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:13:37 PM EST

none

Maybe so.

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natophonic.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 04:09:44 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Huh. I would've thought that fluoride-free homeopathic tinctures of estrogen would cost more than birth control pills.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:34:45 AM EST

none

Fluke has been a professional activist since she graduate from Cornell in 2003. Democrats could have gotten doctors to testify, but many doctors would be unwilling to follow a pre-arranged script, or tell fabricated stories like Fluke did. It's comical how after the sham nature of this episode is exposed, you just keep shilling harder (why is a Canadian such a toady shill for Democrats?). I think you (and a lot of liberals), enjoy being manipulated.

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:26:08 AM EST

none

We have two reasons to think Fluke must have been extremely effective, as professional activists go. First, she was chosen to testify by Dems in preference to countless licensed attorneys who would certainly have been able and willing to "follow a pre-arranged script". Second, she suckered one of America's most gifted propagandists into looking so bad that he harmed his party and himself (professionally).

Way too late to help Limbaugh or Republicans generally recover from this disgraceful episode that has alienated even conservative women, you demand points for "the sham nature of this episode", as if Republicans haven't played similar games for decades and as if Fluke's political activism somehow justified calling her "slut" and "prostitute". (Rush already tried this approach. If it had worked, he wouldn't have apologised.)

As usual when you use words like "comical", you sound angry and contemptuous rather than amused. "Know thyself" much?

U.S. politics usually seems more exciting than Canadian politics. Why? More at stake internationally, more intensity and polarisation, livelier and more mediagenic/ charismatic politicians, cutting edge issues, and much more extreme problems. (America: Nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there.) So we watch your stuff as much as we watch our own (like you would watch soaps operas, or train wrecks). Since most Canadians (like most Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, and Irish) would be more comfortable on America's left than on its right, we tend to root for your Democrats, even though Democrats themselves look pretty right-wing to most of us.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 01:55:00 PM EST

none

You never cared about this until you were told to. You never even noticed women in Canada don't have a "right" to "free" birth control. You and the other Canadian should be out protesting the fact that your second rate medical care system "discriminates" against women. Occupy the hockey rinks.

"As usual when you use words like "comical", you sound angry and contemptuous rather than amused."

As usual, you have reading comprehension problems.

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novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:17:53 PM EST

none

You only seem to resent political strategising when Democrats and/or Liberals do it. If Republicans and/or right-wingers gain some political advantage by saying or doing something too clever by half, you can be counted on to gloat.

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zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 09:33:18 AM EST

none

Have you seen a photograph of Ms. Fluke?

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 05:31:42 PM EST

none

Yes.

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natophonic.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:08:43 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Lesbians with menstrual issues? Ha HA! What will these lying liberal feminazis try to tell us next? That those sluts take a birth control pill every day, even if they don't have sex? I bet they think lesbians have vaginas, just like real women!

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zyxwvutsr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:34:30 PM EST

none

Lesbians...
Like her "friend."

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novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 12:56:02 AM EST

none

[sarcasm] Not only was Fluke appropriately called "slut" and "prostitute", she should also have been called "Lesbian", too! Did you hear her story about her "friend"? (Leer, wink, leer, wink.) Democrats and homosexualists go hand-in-hand! [/sarcasm]

Right-wingers have counted on unsupported but ever-repeated slander against their enemies for 60 years. Now their slanders have become so obvious and so self-serving that they no longer seem to work as they once did. Worse, they still engage in slander, only now against one another too.

Please, tell us again all about your New Jersey Democrat friends while you service Rush's memory here on TnT.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 07:34:24 AM EST

none

Do you believe that her "testimony" was 100% truthful?

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novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 11:56:04 AM EST

none

I think it more likely that her testimony was 100% truthful than that she has too much lesbian sex.

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Re: You got Fluked

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 02:17:44 PM EST

none

Do you believe that her "testimony" was 100% truthful?

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novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 02:22:43 PM EST

none

I think it more likely that her testimony was 100% truthful than that she has too much lesbian sex.

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zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:01:26 AM EST

none

Do you believe that her "testimony" was 100% truthful?

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novy.

Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 11:24:28 AM EST

none

I think it more likely that her testimony was 100% truthful than that she has too much lesbian sex.

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novy.

Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 11:26:38 AM EST

none

What part of her testimony do you think was less than 100% truthful? That she had lesbian friends? That she was lesbian herself?

When you can figure out what you mean to accuse her of, and after I've read her testimony, which I haven't so far because I really don't care what she said, we can try this again. And again.

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 02:23:44 PM EST

none

Do you believe that Fluke was Lesbian?

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 02:28:55 PM EST

none

Or does her claim to know someone attending her Catholic university who engages in Lesbianism strike you as palpably false?

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zyxwvutsr.

Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:04:44 AM EST

none

Her claim that birth control costs $1,000 per year causes me to doubt everything she said.

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 12:11:17 PM EST

none

I can barely believe you answered my question. Thanks, I guess.

If some women pay $89 per month for birth control (which would be over $1,000 per year by itself, without factoring in paying doctors or any medical tests deemed necessary or useful) and some pay $9 at Target (although definitely not your wife or my mother), let's say average would be around $49. Basically, that means that minimum cost for ordinary women with no special medical problems might be around $800 per year. Throw in one extra doctor visit or one extra medical test and we've hit $1,000.

So if that was what you've got, we can cordially agree to disagree.

I may think that your opinion about Fluke and her testimony has as much substance as thinking that Andy Breitbart's college videos of Obama will derail his reelection campaign, but since you were open enough to say something definitive, I feel like I owe you my real answer to your question, regardless of what you plan to do with it.

I think that probably most adults have given testimony in court or to some public hearing or committee at one time or another. I know I have. When I find myself being put in that position, I tend to think long and hard well in advance about how I will answer certain kinds of questions, so as to make my side look as good as possible without engaging in any outright provable lying. Nothing can discredit and dishonour your side quicker than false testimony (which in some cases could land you in jail, if egregious enough).

If I would prepare before giving testimony, I figure Fluke did too. In addition, I figure that she was prepped by at least one but possibly as many as five or ten people for weeks prior to testifying. So, while I very much doubt that anything she said was outright false (if she claimed to have some "friend" in particular straits, don't you think Democrats could find her that perfect "friend", as needed?), I feel equally confident that everything she said was slanted as much as possible to make her team look "concerned" and Republicans look "heartless". If we had paid as much attention to people testifying at those Republican Congressional hearings across town as we had to Fluke, we would have heard similarly prepared and self-serving testimony, but Rush Limbaugh put paid to that one, didn't he?

Finally, I would like to add that, if Fluke takes sensible advantage of her opportunity, Rush Limbaugh has given her gifts that may keep on giving for years to come. She goes to Georgetown Law School, so she knows it as well as anyone.

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improper.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:05:36 PM EST

5.00 (funny, funny)

not willing to compromise the quality of my education

Why go to Georgetown then?

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Re: You got Fluked

novy.

Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:15:41 PM EST

none

Best school she got into? It happens.

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Ongoing

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:46:42 AM EST

none

As part of my ongoing investigation into the liberal "mind":

  1. There are thousands of drugs that have co-pays, including ones for serious medical conditions. Why is it so vitally important birth control has no co-pay?

  2. If birth control being "free" is so important, why did it not occur to most liberals until about a month ago, when you were told it was important?

 

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Re: Ongoing

Tim Burr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 01:20:24 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

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Re: Ongoing

novy.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:47:35 AM EST

none

  1. No special inherent reason that I can tell. ("O Canada", eh?)

  2. Because until one month ago, no one took Rick Santorum very seriously, but today everyone takes him seriously. Because Rick Santorum considers birth control immoral (because he agrees with his Pope that every act of intimacy should be capable of producing new life), his candidacy presents political opportunities for Democrats, opportunities they would be foolish to ignore and which they haven't ignored.

Does it bother you to be put in this position, where you have to defend religious nutcases (who really do wish they could ban birth control) just because they vote Republican? Tough luck, since you'll do it anyway, won't you?

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Re: Ongoing

Tim Burr.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 03:21:02 AM EST

none

I have been checking out the Rush Limbaugh  website  for several years and have always been amazed at how incredibly insulting it is. Both the content and graphic styling numb me, I believe that is the goal Clear Channel wants.  Yet even with his weak ass apology on his site he still keeps the front page littered with ridiculous sexually insulting props, such as this.

The past few days have been wonderful, to see so many people looking into Mr. Limbaugh and how he conducts his business. I am extremely happy that Mr. Limbaugh the great defender of "Free Speech" can actually enjoy so much freedom being expressed from his fellow citizens. Like Michael Moore said today in his tweet.

Schadenfreude.

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Re: Ongoing

keta.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 12:39:45 PM EST

none

I can't believe those big meanie NFL folks wouldn't let Rush become part owner of a team!

As I said at that time, it's always nice to see a douche bag get his just desserts.

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Re: Ongoing

novy.

Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 09:41:03 PM EST

none

Rush Limbaugh's business has always been selling anger, derision, and hate. Mostly he gets away with it, which was what made this Fluke episode even more surprising to me. How could he have lost dozens of advertisers over these remarks and never lost any over some of his other earlier remarks? Limbaugh was plainly surprised too.

I doubt Clear Channel cares about anything more than profits, even though it has openly leaned right for years. Rush has made them lots of money and been right-wing; win-win. But if he started losing them money, Capitalism First would rear its ugly head.  

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 01:45:28 PM EST

none

Putting aside the manufactured aspects of this, the frenzied demands for "free" birth control illustrate how universalized equality (like we discussed here) has become the guiding principle of liberalism. Birth control needs to be "free" in order to equalize natural differences between men and women. Notice also the repeated invocation of some insurers covering Viagra, which is cited as if indicative of some sort of bias against women.

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Add AOL to list of companies who have pulled their

improper.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 03:27:24 PM EST

none

advertising from Rush's Radio Show.

I've counted 8 total so far.

Looks like capitalism+democracy came to bite Rush on the ass.

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ms sue.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 04:58:13 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

I've counted 8 total so far.
Looks like capitalism+democracy came to bite Rush on the ass.

There's plenty room for more.

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Re: Add AOL to list of companies who have pulled t

ms sue.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 05:00:21 PM EST

5.00 (redundant)

I've counted 8 total so far.
Looks like capitalism+democracy came to bite Rush on the ass.

There's plenty room for more.

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A Double Post.

Haggis.

Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 07:18:12 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Was that meant to be a metaphor for the size of Rush's caboose?

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

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Sandra Fluke wants you to pay

improper.

Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:06:49 PM EST

none

for gender reassignment surgery:

Their "prime example" of the first form of discrimination? Not covering sex change operations:

    "A prime example of direct discrimination is denying insurance coverage for medical needs of transgender persons physically transitioning to the other gender."

This so called "prime example" of discrimination is expounded on in a subsection titled "Gender Reassignment Medical Services" starting on page 636:

    "Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered."

http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance

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Re: Sandra Fluke wants you to pay

Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:59:02 PM EST

none

That's the logical next step.

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Reality based community

Ephraim Gadsby.

Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 01:23:54 PM EST

none

Chuck Schumer:

This whole debate [over the Blunt Amendment] is an anachronism...the Republican Party suddenly wants to turn back the clock and take away contraception from women. Make no mistake: that's what this debate is about."

Mr. President, if this amendment passes, it would ban contraception coverage for any woman in America whose boss has a personal objection to it. This measure would force women to surrender control of their own health decisions to their bosses...According to the Department of Health and Human Services, some 20 million American women could be cut off from health services by this proposal.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg
"The Republicans want to take us forward to the Dark Ages again. . .when women were property that you could easily control, even trade if you wanted to," he said. "It's appalling we are even having this debate in the 21st century."

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