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Greenthumb blegging

tjb.

Posted to Business on Wed Mar 28, 2012 at 09:16:25 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Ok, so, my wife and I have moved into a new place that is a corner unit in a modernish high rise with big floor to ceiling windows in said corner.  She brought her motley assortment of plants that used to live on the patio (which we currently lack), some of which have done extremely well with the extra sun and greenhouse environment, while others have spent the last thre months dying a slow painful death.

With slow painful death, however, there is opportunity.  My mother somehow made a tangerine tree work (low yield) in the suburbs of Buffalo (indoors).  Given that we live in northern California and have permanent sun from May-September, we figure we should be able to grow a citrus tree or two in this corner of light, but we aren't quite sure what the frustration & PITA factor will be.  Google delivers a wide variety of opinion on this, ranging from "it's easy" to "you need to constantly root trim" (which is not possible in our situation) - it is hard to find a consistent appraisal of what might be involved

(btw, north & west facing with limited south or east exposure if we position the tree in one of the extreme corners - we jut out a bit)

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

Shy Elf.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:27:25 AM EST

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My mother had one of those super-dwarf tangerines.  They used to be popular at one point, I guess.  It lived a really long time, but it was really scraggly-looking, and the fruit output was, well, pathetic to non-existent.

Most plants will do best in full sun, but quite a lot of them will do badly when suddenly moved to full sun after they've been grown in shade.  I would think that if you gradually move the plants into the sun, most of them would be happy there eventually.

I would think that you would have a lot of trouble getting a citrus tree with full-size rootstock to grow indoors, but I don't see why you should have a problem with even with a dwarf tree, and you could probably find some rootstock that likes to be even smaller.  It's pretty much standard practice to grow fruit trees which are grafted so that the top (fruiting) part of the tree is a different tree from the roots.

Even if you do get a tree which doesn't outgrow its roots, unless you put the thing in a really massive pot, the amount of fruit you get off it will still be much smaller than normal, because it's limited by the amount of water the tree can draw from the roots.  Normal citrus trees seem to have very large fruit production, though, so if your expectations aren't that high maybe it will meet them.

Citrus trees are already prone to mite infections, and putting them indoors where the wind and spiders don't help get rid of the mites would probably make this worse.  It shouldn't be a prohibitive problem, though.

I've been thinking about getting a kaffir lime tree for quite some time, in order to use the leaves as a spice.

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

tjb.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 11:51:57 AM EST

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Even if you do get a tree which doesn't outgrow its roots, unless you put the thing in a really massive pot, the amount of fruit you get off it will still be much smaller than normal, because it's limited by the amount of water the tree can draw from the roots.  Normal citrus trees seem to have very large fruit production, though, so if your expectations aren't that high maybe it will meet them.

Its a pretty big space - we can probably fit a decent sized pot in there.  We'll see how it goes, I guess.

Citrus trees are already prone to mite infections, and putting them indoors where the wind and spiders don't help get rid of the mites would probably make this worse.  It shouldn't be a prohibitive problem, though.

Yeah, no kidding - we're fighting off a white fly infestation at the moment (it came in with a lavender plant as best we can tell).  Nothing new until that's under control, but I think we've got a handle on it now.

I've been thinking about getting a kaffir lime tree for quite some time, in order to use the leaves as a spice.

After doing a bit more research, yeah - either that or a Meyer lemon tree looks like the way to go.  kaffir limes themselves aren't bad, either, but the leaves are pure win for Asian cooking.

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

natophonic.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 11:15:24 AM EST

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> we're fighting off a white fly infestation at the moment

Perhaps you take up a hobby in keeping praying mantids as pets. Sounds like it would go well with your wife's hobby, but on the downside you'd always have to be careful to look before sitting down.

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

tjb.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 12:58:04 PM EST

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My dog will eat anything that moves and is rodent size or smaller.  And I mean anything.  Snails, roaches, hamsters, leaves blowing in the wind - if it moves and can fit in his mouth, it will be eaten.  The mantis wouldn't last 6 hours :)

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

natophonic.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 at 01:14:51 PM EST

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We'd have a similar problem with our cat. Her favorites are doll hair and small rocks. On the plus side, we haven't had to call the exterminator since we got the cat from the rescue place. On the downside, we clean up a lot of cat puke.

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:58:09 PM EST

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Lemon, grapefruit, and orange trees survived in my parents' backyard despite total neglect and halfhearted attempts to kill them.  Citrus trees are very hardy and resistant, the main problem with them is the flowers- bees love them and they play hell with allergies in some people.  The trees are mostly self-sufficient and don't require much, if you're concerned about roots then just chop them with a shovel, they aren't very substantial.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

tjb.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 11:58:06 AM EST

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if you're concerned about roots then just chop them with a shovel, they aren't very substantial.

Our biggest problem is that we have to do this purely indoors - I don't think the condo association would look kindly on us constantly re-potting in the courtyard.  An annual trip to a friend's house with the plant to borrow their backyard for the messy stuff might be feasible, but constant digging around in the dirt isn't going to work.

Lemon, grapefruit, and orange trees survived in my parents' backyard despite total neglect and halfhearted attempts to kill them.

In Phoenix?  I know people with (outdoor) citrus trees here in the Bay Area - some are super hardy, some stop producing if you don't validate their emotions and whisper sweet nothings at them every day.

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Re: Greenthumb blegging

HidingFromGoro.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 11:43:48 PM EST

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Cut up an old plastic tarp and line the pots, with some dirt between the pot wall and the tarp, it has just enough "give" to nudge the roots into bending around and grow a different direction rather than the really solid (and brittle) pot wall which will just break.

Yeah, close enough to Phoenix for government work at least.  I can see about mailing you some seeds from their trees if you want.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Hydroponics

wayhip.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 10:53:23 AM EST

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Would solve the root trimming issue, me thinks.

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Re: Hydroponics

HidingFromGoro.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 11:39:16 PM EST

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Yeah just be careful of high electric bills or warrantless IR sweeps by the cops- if it looks like a grow op, then it's a no-knock at 2 a.m.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Hydroponics

wayhip.

Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 02:19:25 PM EST

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Depends on how many plants and how many hours of "sunlight". You can "fake a plant out into growing faster by increasing the daylight hours (veggies grown in AK are a good example). Which of course increases you electric bill.

But the OP stated that natural light was available. And I assume it would only be a few plants, not a garage or warehouse crammed with them. So the OP shouldn't worry.

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