Sure. Nothing wrong with wearing sneakers.

What's his favorite Indiana Jones movie? (assuming he has watched them all)... Mine obviously is Temple of Doom.

My Cousin Vinny is such a good movie. Plus Marisa Tomei is hot.

they only have Raiders and Last Crusade (grandma doesn't like Temple and Crystal Skull "isn't really Indiana Jones"), he likes them about the same- Raiders has the rolling rock and the truck scene; Crusade has the librarian scene and the tank scene (and also the part where Connery scares the birds with the umbrella).  plus i think Raiders is the only time where he swings across a gap with his whip but it's been a long time since i've seen any of them all the way through.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

The Crystal Skull was a joke (the South Park episode where they destroyed it was great). Raiders of the Lost Ark is probably the most impressive.

I remember the movies at grandma's. All we had was princess bride and disorderlies for some reason.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

...even more likely it occurs during fetal development due to chance hormonal fluctuations - so while it's not exactly genetic...

... I'm 100% sure at least one of the male cousins is gay...

pretty sure he's talking about exposure to the mother's hormones, which while they're produced by the mother's glands (and i guess that sort of counts as being "produced by genes") would be different from the baby's own hormones, "produced by" the baby's own "genes."

as far as the whole thing of "it might be a choice," well on that one i don't know what he's on about.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

Sort of? Is there a chance that the hormones are off-the-shelf?

I have no idea what his understanding of hormones/genetics are, just trying to offer a possible explanation.

I'm sure there's a perfectly scientific explanation for those urges you feel.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

as far as the whole thing of "it might be a choice," well on that one i don't know what he's on about.

Did I say it was a choice?  I don't think it is - even if it's caused by socialization for some people I think it happens early enough in a kid's life that it's not really something they have a lot of control over.  Even if socialization is a pathway, I think there's probably a physiological component to that too - some people are wired to be hetero, some are wired to be homosexual, and some have indeterminate wiring.  Those people could be called bi-sexual, but I don't think that every person who has that indeterminate wiring ends up having both hetero and homosexual relationships - socialization would play a strong role with those folks.  Some will end up hetero, some will end up homosexual, and some will be truly bi-sexual - but a fairly small number, because there's a lot of pressure to either just be straight, or if you end up in the gay community, to identify as a gay rather than bi (there are a lot in the gay community that deny that being bi is even a valid orientation).

Allons-y!

You sure didn't, don't know wtf i was smoking.

also good call on

there are a lot in the gay community that deny that being bi is even a valid orientation

you should see what some in 'the community' have to say about the transgendered- especially transgendered of color.  one of the biggest criticisms of the 'gay community' is that a lot of times it would be more properly called the 'white, male, affluent, gay community.'  in that respect at least they're just like straights.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

Hormones aren't produced by genes? Where do they come from? Walmart?

I was talking about fetal exposure to the mother's hormones, as HFG said.  Hormone fluctuation isn't just a matter of genetics - environmental factors can influence it, so can random chance.  If the exact same woman could have a heterosexual kid or a homosexual kid, and the fact that she had one or the other was caused by some stress or other environmental factor that led to a hormone fluctuation at a key point in fetal development, I don't see what leverage we gain by calling that "genetic."  If this is one pathway to have a homosexual child, then anyone could have a homosexual child.  As for the rest of your comment, I won't dignify it with a response - your Socratic trolling is what it is, but I thought incest jokes were beneath you.

Allons-y!

Hormone fluctuation isn't just a matter of genetics...

...environmental factors can influence it...

I don't see what leverage we gain by calling that "genetic."

...I thought incest jokes were beneath you

But wait...I thought you said it runs in your family?

If you read carefully, I said that it's probably genetic, hormonal, and socialization.  In any particular homosexual person, their orientation could have been determined by any one or a combination of those factors.  So yes, it runs in families, but there will also be cases that crop up where there is no logical explanation based on genetic inheritance.  In those cases it could be hormonal or socialization.  I'd guess most cases can be best explained by inherited genetic traits, but I don't think all are.

Allons-y!

...it's probably genetic, hormonal, and socialization.  In any particular homosexual person, their orientation could have been determined by any one or a combination of those factors

I find it nearly impossible to believe that it could be caused solely by "socialization."

See my discussion of bi-sexuality above - that's what I mean by socialization.  I doubt any kid that is born with a distinctly hetero orientation could be socialized to be gay, but I think that at least some percentage of the population have an indeterminate orientation that can be influenced by socialization.

As for the hypothesis that it may be caused by abnormal fetal hormonal levels, do you think all women are equally susceptible to such abnormalities?

I don't know and I don't know enough about the subject offer an informed opinion.

Allons-y!

Do you know of any other trait for which there is no observed genetic variability?

I agree that his pathogen hypothesis is more likely than the 'gay uncle' theory for no other reason that it is the more parsimonious of the two. (One must jump through a lot of hoops to get the math to work out for the 'gay uncle' theory.) Even more parsimonious, however, is the idea that not all genetic traits are adaptive.

Genetic traits that reduce reproductive fitness will not be maintained in a population.

Yes. But perhaps there are sexually antagonistic genes or pleiotropy that explain the persistence of homosexuality.

It's too prevalent. Cochran goes into more detail here.

I know plenty of "gays" that fuck girls to have a baby. That's why homosexuality is obviously not genetic but a social lifestyle choice.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

I know plenty of people who can't do math.