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Ephraim Gadsby.

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States no longer sovereign.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 06:07:27 PM EST

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As a sovereign, Arizona has the inherent power to exclude persons from its territory, subject only to those limitations expressed in the Constitution or constitution- ally imposed by Congress. That power to exclude has long been recognized as inherent in sovereignty. Emer de Vattel's seminal 1758 treatise on the Law of Nations stated:

"The sovereign may forbid the entrance of his territory either to foreigners in general, or in particular cases, or to certain persons, or for certain particular pur- poses, according as he may think it advantageous to the state. There is nothing in all this, that does not flow from the rights of domain and sovereignty: every one is obliged to pay respect to the prohibition; and whoever dares violate it, incurs the penalty decreed to render it effectual."

There is no doubt that "before the adoption of the constitution of the United States" each State had the author- ity to "prevent [itself] from being burdened by an influx of persons." Mayor of New York v. Miln, 11 Pet. 102, 132-133 (1837). And the Constitution did not strip the States of that authority. To the contrary, two of the Constitution's provisions were designed to enable the States to prevent "the intrusion of obnoxious aliens through other States."

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Nor can federal power over illegal immigration be deemed exclusive because of what the Court's opinion solicitously calls "foreign countries[ '] concern[s] about the status, safety, and security of their nationals in the United States," ante, at 3. The Constitution gives all those on our shores the protections of the Bill of Rights--but just as those rights are not expanded for foreign nationals because of their countries' views (some countries, for example, have recently discovered the death penalty to be barbaric), neither are the fundamental sovereign powers of the States abridged to accommodate foreign countries' views. Even in its international relations, the Federal Government must live with the inconvenient fact that it is a Union of independent States, who have their own sovereign powers. This is not the first time it has found that a nuisance and a bother in the conduct of foreign policy. Four years ago, for example, the Government importuned us to interfere with thoroughly constitutional state judicial procedures in the criminal trial of foreign nationals because the international community, and even an opinion of the International Court of Justice, disapproved them. See Medellín v. Texas, 552 U. S. 491 (2008) . We rejected that request, as we should reject the Executive's invocation of foreign-affairs considerations here. Though it may upset foreign powers--and even when the Federal Government desperately wants to avoid upsetting foreign powers--the States have the right to protect their borders against foreign nationals, just as they have the right to execute foreign nationals for murder.

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The President said at a news conference that the new program is "the right thing to do" in light of Congress's failure to pass the Administration's proposed revision of the Immigration Act. 7 Perhaps it is, though Arizona may not think so. But to say, as the Court does, that Arizona contradicts federal law by enforcing applications of the Immigration Act that the President declines to enforce boggles the mind.

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Are the sovereign States at the mercy of the Federal Executive's refusal to enforce the Nation's immigration laws?

A good way of answering that question is to ask: Would the States conceivably have entered into the Union if the Constitution itself contained the Court's holding? Today's judgment surely fails that test. At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, the delegates contended with "the jealousy of the states with regard to their sovereignty." 1 Records of the Federal Convention 19 (M. Farrand ed. 1911) (statement of Edmund Randolph). Through ratification of the fundamental charter that the Convention produced, the States ceded much of their sovereignty to the Federal Government. But much of it remained jealously guarded--as reflected in the innumerable proposals that never left Independence Hall. Now, imagine a provision--perhaps inserted right after Art. I, §8, cl. 4, the Naturalization Clause--which included among the enumerated powers of Congress "To establish Limitations upon Immigration that will be exclusive and that will be enforced only to the extent the President deems appropriate." The delegates to the Grand Convention would have rushed to the exits.

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Arizona has moved to protect its sovereignty--not in contradiction of federal law, but in complete compliance with it. The laws under challenge here do not extend or revise federal immigration restrictions, but merely enforce those restrictions more effectively. If securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign State. I dissent.

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ThePlague.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 11:15:25 AM EST

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The fallout of this is that the executive branch is able to effectively choose which laws it will enforce, in essence re-writing the laws in practice through a very creative interpretation of "prosecutorial discretion".  States harmed by this practice, such as in the case of Arizona, have no recourse since even writing state laws that mirror federal laws almost verbatim and then intending to actually enforce them is seen as encroachment.  If the federals actually enforced the laws on the books, such as those concerning being illegally in the country, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  Instead, due to a personal prejudice on the part of the Chief Executive, whole classes of individuals are effectively given an amnesty.  Apparently, there are effectively two sets of laws:  ones for suckers that actually stand in line to have our passports stamped, and everyone else.

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novy.

Wed Jun 27, 2012 at 09:49:36 PM EST

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States no longer sovereign? Say it ain't so.

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novy.

Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 01:13:28 AM EST

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Scalia dissents in this case because he couldn't even get ultra-conservative Chief Justice Roberts to agree with him, let alone swing voter Anthony Kennedy. And yet you felt no need to actually link to Kennedy's majority opinion, which now serves as law of your land. Scalia's opinion was criticised by conservatives like Judge Posner, not just liberals:

"Besides the attacks on Obama and the majority opinion in the Arizona immigration case, Scalia cited immigration laws from the days of slavery, something else that shocked commentators. 'He jumped the shark here,' said Gabriel Chin, a law professor at the University of California, Davis. 'Harkening back to the good old days of the law of slavery impeaches his position. He practically cited Dred Scott. The whole thing was intemperate, a screed.'"
Scalia doesn't deserve to be called Justice or even Judge since his undisguised, bald politics override everything else in his opinions. He should get some new but appropriate political title, like Voter of Last Resort (to celebrate his selection of Bush 43 as President in Bush v. Gore) or Unelected Decider or FoxNews' Supreme Court Seat or some such. He no longer even pretends to believe in judicial restraint or judicial precedent, and he has finally made clear just what sort of "original intent" he has always had in mind. No wonder you love him so.

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novy.

Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 01:15:35 AM EST

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Oops, that quote came from here.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 10:13:47 AM EST

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"Scalia cited immigration laws from the days of slavery"

The Constitution is from the days of slavery.

Notice the poor "shocked" souls who say he's wrong never make any substantive arguments.

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improper.

Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 10:49:12 AM EST

5.00 (succinct)

Since amended.

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Jackkeefe.

Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:40:29 PM EST

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get ultra-conservative Chief Justice Roberts

Why not call him an ultra liberal? You'd be closer to the truth.

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novy.

Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:28:46 PM EST

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"[U]ltra-liberal" like John McCain? I guess it only takes one or two exercises of independent judgment to transform someone from conservative hero to "ultra-liberal" these days.

John Roberts: so liberal he probably thinks Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

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Jackkeefe.

Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 03:28:39 PM EST

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I guess it only takes one or two exercises of independent judgment

I'm still waiting for a liberal judge to ever exercise "independant judgment."  Why do we even bother naming individual liberals to the court?  Obama should just be able to nominate genric hive mind liberal and if the Senate confirms the hive mind that vote would always be for the liberal position of the day.  Why bother paying an actual human hundreds thousands of dollars a year to contribute nothing?  Simply assume 4 votes for the liberal side and allow the 5 "conservatives" to actually worry about the law and challenge counsel to defend their positions.  You'd end up at the same place and save millions that could be used to pay for this legislative abortion.

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novy.

Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 06:16:37 PM EST

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Given choices between centre-right outcomes and ultra-right outcomes, you can always count on those hive-mind "liberals" to go centre-right. Who would have figured, huh?

[Wasn't "liberal" Justice Souter, now retired, considered conservative for years?]

If Scalia were to become unable to attend to his official duties, like pining for pre-slavery good-old-days in his dissents, and had to retire while Obama was still President, instead of arguing about ultra-right versus centre-right your Supreme Court would be arguing between centre-left and ultra-left. How would Roberts or Alito choose then? If all Republican-appointed Justices voted as one on almost every issue of consequence for years thereafter, would it prove that only generic hive mind conservatives exist?

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Jackkeefe.

Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:45:39 PM EST

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Scalia cited immigration laws from the days of slavery

That might be the stupidest argument I've heard. How do you possibly imagine that is a compelling argument?
I take it you must really despise habeus corpus.

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novy.

Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:31:07 PM EST

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Certain types of laws haven't changed all that much in consequence of Civil War Amendments to your Constitution. Laws relating to citizenship, though, have changed dramatically since 1865. That Scalia doesn't seem to have noticed tells us that his notion of "original intent" is pre-Civil War.

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improper.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 10:16:45 AM EST

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 11:51:50 AM EST

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That's about corporations, not plutocrats.

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improper.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 10:21:05 AM EST

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A conservative court gave the Arizona decision.

The 5-3 decision from a conservative court in which Chief Justice John Roberts joined the majority only strengthens the president's argument that he was right, and Arizona officials wrong on an issue with special significance to a key bloc of voters -- Latinos -- whose support he is counting on for re-election.

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novy.

Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 01:25:34 AM EST

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5-3 makes it sound closer than it was. If Kagan had been voting, it would have gone 6-3 instead. And those three that voted for Arizona's position would vote for almost anything endorsed by right-wing media and academics, prior law be damned.

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pO157.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 02:32:53 PM EST

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So what does the Obama administration propose to do about this issue? I can understand their objection to the bill. Fine. But what is the solution? When you have people in border regions living in fear of illegals, drug smugglers and the like, there has to be a better idea beyond "Well, don't take matters into your own hands at the state level due to our generalized inaction."

America! I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.

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Ephraim Gadsby.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 04:29:53 PM EST

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See here:

Monday afternoon, the Department of Homeland Security had pulled back on a program known as 287(g), which allows the feds to deputize local officials to make immigration-based arrests. According to a Homeland Security official, the administration has determined those agreements are "not useful" now in states that have Arizona-style laws. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has since rescinded that agreement in Arizona -- with the state itself, and with three local law enforcement agencies.

The move means that even if local police step up immigration checks, they'll have to rely on federal officials to make the arrests.

And federal officials made clear that ICE would be selective in responding to the expected rise in calls from Arizona and other police agencies about immigration status.

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HidingFromGoro.

Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:29:03 AM EST

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The administration has no "solution."  Undocumented immigration provides a pool of labor that can be underpaid, treated like shit, threatened at will, can't vote, and has no legal rights or protections- that means profit for business interests.  Crackdowns on employers are the way to stop it, which is why they're ignored in favor of "let's stop every Mexican we find."

Obama's not going to bite the hand that feeds him (look at the regulatory capture of finance or the gigantic handout to the insurance industry known as Obamacare).

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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