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Casual Friday at the NSA!

pO157.

Posted to Legal on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:49:50 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

National Security Administration director shows up at the DefCon conference in Vegas wearing a black t-shirt and jeans. Gets heckled and goes home.

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

pO157.

Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 12:42:14 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

"We're the ones who built this Internet," Alexander said, citing the key role agencies like DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) played in the network's early days. "Now we're the ones who have to keep it secure, and I think you folks can help do that."

You didn't build that.

America! I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

zyxwvutsr.

Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 03:06:10 PM EST

5.00 (knowledgeable)

True:

According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with."

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

port1080.

Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:11:45 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

I think the question of who exactly invented TCP/IP, etc. is something of a red herring - those developments would have happened within a ten to fifteen year window of 1970 one way or another.  What matters is that the Internet is an open, public network with open standards, and I think the fact that it is so open is due almost entirely to the fact that so much of its development was publicly funded and involved networking publicly funded institutions.  If private business had been fully in control, we would have had four or five competing systems like Viewtron, Prodigy, CompuServe, etc. and a much more "push" oriented model, with users having far less control over their hardware and with much greater limitations on the types of devices they could connect to the network.  Heck, you can see this today just by looking at your cable company - their video services are incredibly restrictive and tightly controlled, while being delivered on the same lines as the open Internet.  Without the government and university involvement, I don't think that happens.  

Allons-y!

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:22:06 AM EST

none

My point (oblique though it undoubtedly was) was that President Obama's "you didn't build that" statement very cleanly missed the heart of the issue. It's true - and inevitable - that entrepreneurs rely on public infrastructure, public education, the rule of law, and the like. But that ignores the fact that the vast majority of people who had the same access to those public goods did not use them to build great wealth. That is to say that the existence of public goods are a necessary cause, but not a sufficient one.

(It's also the case that Obama has tried to use that and similar excuses to argue for increased public spending, assuming that if a given level of spending produces a good effect, that more spending will have a larger good effect. He's begging the question.)

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

port1080.

Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:31:47 AM EST

none

(It's also the case that Obama has tried to use that and similar excuses to argue for increased public spending, assuming that if a given level of spending produces a good effect, that more spending will have a larger good effect. He's begging the question.)

This is a very good point, but it's a bit like the Laffer curve - it's hard to know exactly where we are and people can have honest disagreements about it.  How do you know where that "sweet spot" is where you have enough public infrastructure to facilitate business growth but not so much that you're overspending?  Another question is how much to spend on things like proactive maintenance - it seems to me that a lot of the stimulus money being spent on roadwork in the northeast states (PA, DE, NY) isn't necessarily being spent to build new roads or better roads, but it is being spent to fix bridges that were on the verge of collapse, to repave roads that were in very poor repair, etc.  These may not do much to help economic development, but they're certainly worth doing if you want to feel safe driving on the roads from place to place.

Allons-y!

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

zyxwvutsr.

Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:02:30 AM EST

none

It is rather easy to determine with most of the spending that the Obama Administration wants to increase: it's not for infrastructure at all.

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

natophonic.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 11:56:21 AM EST

none

In fiscally conservative Texas, we spend taxpayer dollars on infrastructure. Such as toll roads to nowhere, and fixing guard rail damage (e.g., replacing 25 yards of metal rail to fix the one-inch diameter dent where someone traded a bit of their Ford Mustang's paint).

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:06:38 PM EST

none

Does Texas run a budget deficit year after year?

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

natophonic.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:35:21 PM EST

none

We issue a lot of bonds, but that's different because we're sure to grow our way out of that.

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:42:13 PM EST

none

Holy crap!

Well, hopefully a lot of that is going for executions, so it's not all wasted.

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

indecentspeech.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:57:39 PM EST

none

Also isn't Texas is known for shady accounting.

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Re: Causal Friday at the PARC!

MinusOne.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 01:03:29 AM EST

5.00

If private business had been fully in control, we would have had four or five competing systems like Viewtron, Prodigy, CompuServe, etc. and a much more "push" oriented model, with users having far less control over their hardware and with much greater limitations on the types of devices they could connect to the network.

This is in fact the exact model the big network providers are trying to push with their opposition to network neutrality.  They would much rather have you spend all of your online time in their walled garden where they can sell all of the ads that you see.  Their search page, their movie service, their online stores and media sites.    It doesn't take much of a barrier to get people to switch, then the service provide and captured your revenue stream.  They get both the service fee and the advertising revenue.

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

HidingFromGoro.

Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 10:19:32 PM EST

none

Those defcon badges are pretty awesome

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

thefadd.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:06:23 AM EST

none

I'm not up on the latest in conference management but the level of interactivity in them is pretty badass.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 01:08:11 PM EST

none

Not really related but they reminded me of the guy with the business cards that turn into lockpicks.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

thefadd.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 02:07:34 PM EST

none

I'd expect nothing less from the original.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

indecentspeech.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 03:16:37 PM EST

none

That's so awesome.

Hmmm I remember having a credit card knife as a kid.

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Re: Casual Friday at the NSA!

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:38:12 PM EST

none

If you like that, you'll love the Crisis Card.

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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The enemy without

Gaius Petronius.

Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 12:26:25 PM EST

5.00 (informative, astute)

While NSA is trying to hire hackers, the latest issue of Wired has a feature on Eugene Kaspersky, whose company is the largest vendor of cybersecurity software, and a provider of code modules to most of the other vendors, like MacAfee. Yevgeny is also a former KGB officer and a bosom buddy of Vladimir Putin.  Maybe we are worrying too much about some hacker living in his mother's basement, when the anti-virus systems are already in the hands of some quasi-enemies.

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Re: The enemy without

novy.

Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:32:12 PM EST

none

Yevgeny Kaspersky, successful Western capitalist but still "quasi-enemy" because he knows Putin, and Putin won't give you permission to overthrow Syria's government. Better not drink coffee at Dast Bog either.

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Re: The enemy without

Gaius Petronius.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 02:29:33 PM EST

none

Is that the same peaceful Putin who's planning to send a chick band to jail for 7 years because they annoyed his other buddy, the patriarch of Russia?

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Re: The enemy without

novy.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 07:46:04 PM EST

none

One thing to make money because of your connections to Putin but another entirely to make money because you've earned it, and "know Putin" because your successful multinational corporation was started and remains headquartered in Russia.

If Apple's president or Microsoft's president or Ford's president "knows Obama", does that make all three of these American-based multinational corporations creatures of America's government, or of Obama personally? Should China, e.g., fear any company whose executives have ever met or interacted with Obama?

And while Putin oppresses chick bands, hands out money to his friends, threatens to impose authoritarian rule in Russia, and expresses admiration for Yevgeny Kaspersky, your good friends in China not only actively engage in cyber-attacks against you but have been unabashedly authoritarian for as long as anyone can remember.

And while Putin oppresses chick bands, your good friends in Saudi Arabia don't have any chick bands, and if they did, 7 years in jail would look like lenient treatment.

And while "peaceful" Putin oppresses chick bands, your uber-buddy Israel plans to start WWIII by attacking Iran and pulling you in.

Yeah, fine, Putin sucks, but nailing Kaspersky up because he "knows Putin" sucks too. In some places, they would call it slander.

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