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indecentspeech.

Posted to Etcetera on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 08:47:36 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

What kind of camera should I get? A few years back, I was looking at the Canon T2i and the Nikon D90, and I was thinking about getting a fast lens like Canon 50mm f1.8.

I didn't make a purchase but I think I am ready now for a serious, amateur camera. What do you think?

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T Slothrop.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 03:27:46 PM EST

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Depends basically on whether you really want / need a true DSLR or if you can be happy with one of the newer "micro 4/3" mirrorless models (Panasonic Lumix, Olympus PEN, Nikon 1, etc.)

[I'm not that guy.]

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indecentspeech.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 03:45:31 PM EST

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I mean I have heard good things about the 4/3s cameras and they seem rather convenient but I don't want to get into a situation where I feel like I need more control over the camera and a 4/3 might now provide that kind of growth.

I guess my question is if you were in the market for a camera that you mainly want to use to get great shots of family and friends during occasions, while eventually get into a hobby, what would you look at?

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T Slothrop.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 11:41:08 PM EST

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Honestly I have an old (5+ years) Olympus E-500 dslr right now, but I am seriously considering one of PEN-series 4/3s to replace it. I am more of a family photographer and less of an actual hobbyist these days than I used to be, so a 4/3 might not be enough control for you, but I believe it will be for me.

[I'm not that guy.]

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ckm.

Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:47:49 PM EST

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A M4/3 will give you just as much control as any DSLR except the very top of the line models.

You wouldn't be giving up anything except size and possibly lens selection (see my long post below).

Chris.

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 03:37:57 PM EST

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The Canon 50mm f/1.8 is a very nice lens for the money, but it does have some drawbacks.

I am pretty familiar with Canon gear - tell me your budget and I can make some recommendations.

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indecentspeech.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 03:42:44 PM EST

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The highest I'd go is $1500 for everything, but ideally I would like to keep under $1000.

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zyxwvutsr.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 09:58:45 AM EST

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As far as Canon gear goes, in your budget range you're looking at a choice between one of their entry-level Rebel DSLRs and a mid-level "prosumer" DSLR. Here's a comparison of the Rebel T4 and the 60D. The chief differences:

  • The 60D has a better build quality than the T4. The differences are noticeable when you handle the two cameras, and the 60D is definitely more robust, but also larger and heavier.
  • The T4 has Canon's Digic 5 processor while the older 60D has the Digic 4. I don't know the spec differences between these two chips (these are the processors that do all the heavy lifting on moving and processing imaging data from the sensor to the SD card) but it is probably an incremental improvement rather than a breakthrough. That said, the Digic 4 is a few years old and there is probably a 70D equipped with the Digic 5 on the horizon.
  • The 60D is equipped with a pentaprism viewfinder whereas the T4 has a pentamirror. The pentaprism yields a brighter viewfinder image, but is heavier and more expensive than the pentamirror.
  • Viewfinder magnification is .95 on the 60D and .85 - that means the T4 has more of a "tunnel vision" effect than the 60D.
  • 60D has a faster shutter (1/8000 vs. 1/4000) and a faster flash sync (1/250 vs 1/200). Neither of these are significant in my opinion.
  • The T4i has some sort of touch screen interface, but the 60D has a better traditional control interface (more physical buttons and dials).
  • The T4i has in-camera video editing capabilities. If those are of interest to you you should research it more to see if it makes a difference to you.

If it were my money I would get the 60D. But if you go with that do so with the knowledge that there is probably a 70D coming out in the not too distant future - I have no idea when but almost certainly before the end of the year. When it does (and who knows, it might be next week) the 60D will probably drop $100 in price. The trade off to avoid buyers remorse is to wait, but at the (very heavy in my opinion) price of forgoing all of of photos you will miss while waiting.

Detailed recommendation: use as much of your $1,500 budget as you can.

Canon EOS 60D DSLR Camera Kit with Canon EF-S 18-200mm IS Lens - $1,249
Canon Normal EF 50mm f/1.8 II Autofocus Lens - $106

Total $1,355 before shipping. The 18-200 "kit" lens is a good lens for the price. It will give you a lot of zoom range, wide-angle to telephoto, though it's not a particularly fast lens at f/3.5 on the wide end and f/5.6 at 200mm. The 50mm you want anyway and it will give you all the speed you need when you need it, and it is an excellent value as well.

Important to note: Both cameras are very good. So are the analogous offerings from Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, etc. I recommend Canons because I know Canons, not because I think they will make your photos better. Most important is to choose a camera, learn to use it, and use it.

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indecentspeech.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:34:56 PM EST

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Hey Thanks for all that info, Zyx.

I like Canons because their menus and navigation seem to be a bit more intuitive than other brands.

How's the D60 feel in your hand compared to the T4i? One difference seems to be weight, the T4i weights 20% less. I mean has the weight ever bothered you? I guess I'll have to go to a store and see for myself.

The trade off to avoid buyers remorse is to wait, but at the (very heavy in my opinion) price of forgoing all of of photos you will miss while waiting.

I like how you put that and you're 100% right.

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zyxwvutsr.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 01:56:21 PM EST

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It's 60D, not D60 (Nikon has a model called D60).

The weight difference is only a few ounces - the more obvious difference is the overall size and the size of the grip. If you have small hands you might prefer the Rebel. The larger grip on the 60D also allows for a larger battery - more weight but more power.

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ckm.

Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:50:13 PM EST

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For that money, you should serious look at Olympus' new OM-D and possibly a Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 to go with it...

Or, do what I did, spend $500 on a used Sony A580 and the rest on lenses....

Chris.

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zyxwvutsr.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 10:00:42 AM EST

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Forgot to add: B&H is where I get all my gear. You may find slightly better pricing elsewhere, but I would still buy from B&H.

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T Slothrop.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:41:46 PM EST

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I second the opinion of B&H. Their customer service is exceptional for an online retailer, and in truth I've found that they usually have the lowest price on a given item anyway.

[I'm not that guy.]

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cloudofdust.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 09:20:24 AM EST

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And if you're ever in New York their store is definitely worth visiting. They have a lot of products on display and they have this.

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T Slothrop.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 10:50:52 AM EST

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That is one of the coolest things I've seen. Thanks for the link.

[I'm not that guy.]

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HidingFromGoro.

Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:07:12 PM EST

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Never ordered from them but based on my time at UPS I can confirm they're really good at having the customer's back if there are any shipping problems.

(There aren't many problems because they are also really good at properly setting up shipping instructions and following the terms & conditions of their shipping account).

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 12:23:38 PM EST

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Have ordered from b&h, always had impeccable service. Getting their catalog in the mail is like a Christmas present.

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thefadd.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:55:39 PM EST

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I literally just bought the t3i yesterday. Ideally, I'd rather go for something a bit more hardcore and less prosumer but it's such a significant upgrade over the Rebel XT I've been using the past 6 years that I had to make the switch. Plus, it'll hold its value OK over the next 6 months while I keep an eye out for what I want my next move to be.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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indecentspeech.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 08:45:05 AM EST

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Awesome!

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thefadd.

Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:54:03 PM EST

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just shot with it for the first time this weekend and it is! the shutter is sooo fast and smooth and it gives amazing color with average ambient indoor lighting with no photo lighting or flash -- incredible! my friend with the sony d90 used it some and was salivating!

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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indecentspeech.

Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 02:10:30 PM EST

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My cousin has it and he definitely gets some amazing shots. They also have a deal at Sams for T3i bundle with two lens kits and some other shit for I think $800-900.

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thefadd.

Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 10:35:45 AM EST

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I got one from ryther camera in Jersey for $600 shipped. even having to pay Jersey state tax far and away the lowest price I could find new.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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ckm.

Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:45:34 PM EST

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A bit late to this story, but I would say it depends on your budget, taste and what you are trying to accomplish.  I just went through the same thing, and after spending a few thousand $$$ here are some thoughts.

Note that this is based on how I shoot, which is mostly macro outdoors, products in shooting tents, street scenes and large-scale nature.  I particularly like bokeh and rich, saturated colors, all of which biases my gear selection...  I also don't like to spend time post-processing, I want my pictures to look right out of the camera and I'd like them to 'pop'.  Finally, I dislike buying new stuff - you almost always take quite a large depreciation hit and used gear can be nearly as good, but a lot cheaper.

You can see some of my recent photos here: http://chrismaresca.viewbook.com/ (all of these are on a Sony A580).

Things to look for in general

  • Large, cheap lens selection - note this is more important than the body...
  • Lens mount with long history (e.g. Nikon F, Sony A & Pentax K)
  • In-body image stabilization (gives you additional f-stops on old lenses)
  • Overall system color rendering (very subjective, you need to try things out)
  • Size & weight is a big issue for some people (too much or too little)
  • Having large gear makes you look 'pro' (good & bad)
  • Usage/end result/shooting style should drive your decision, not fashion
  • Don't worry about megapixels unless you are making billboards...

History

I have had a micro four thirds camera for a few years, specifically an Olympus E-P1.  Before that, I had a series of mid-range Panasonic PS camera that replaced an Olympus OM & Minolta X700.  I mostly use the E-P1 with a Minolta MD adapter and my favorite lens is a Minolta 50mm f/1.4 - I just really, really like the Minolta colors.   I tried a varied of large glass, but the Olympus body was just too small for larger glass, so it was my 50mm and the kit 14-40, which is pretty good.  I also used a large variety of other glass with a variety of adapters, which was fun, but I've since sold almost all of them.

Recently

I toyed with buying the 25mm f/1.4 Leica, but it's $600...  I looked a some of the old Minolta DSLRS (7D mainly) but they are still very expensive.  And Minolta exited the camera business in 2006 when they sold it to Sony.  I never thought about this much until I realized about 3 months ago that Minolta had been making AF lenses since 1985 and ALL of those lenses worked on Sony bodies....  Include some that are exactly the same as my 50mm f/1.4...

Needless to say, I have spent a LOT of money in the last few months acquiring a lot of old Minolta lenses & several Sony bodies...  Some things I learned:

  • $1000 (body, a few lenses) is about what you'll end up spending +/-$200
  • Used higher-end bodies can be bargains but watch out for shutter count
  • Between Canon & Nikon, I would favor Nikon as I believe you can use all F-mount lenses
  • That said, I don't like either.  They don't have in body stabilization, which means lenses are heavy and there is no stabilization on old glass, even if it fits without an adapter.
  • Sony & Pentax both can use old glass, with Pentax having the same mount since the 60's (!!!)
  • M4/3 has adapters for anything, Olympus cameras have in body stabilization
  • Pay attention to battery life & the cost of spares
  • If you have enough money to cycle through gear, it's the best way to figure out what you like
  • If you are careful with used purchases, you can make money (or at least come out even)

Looking Back

So, what would I do if I went down this road again?  Probably not much different, except I would take a serious look at Pentax DSLRs.  Not only are they some of the smallest on the market, but they have outstanding low-light performance and are cheaper as they are not Canon/Nikon.   Plus, quite a few of them have high-end features like weather sealing & per-lens microfocus adjustments.

Sony's offerings are equally nice and in some ways far better. In the last six weeks I've tried the following: A300, A700, A580 and A55.  I didn't like the A55 I had for a few weeks - the newer SLT models might be better than it was.  The A700 has fabulous ergonomics, fantastic pictures & high shutter speed (1/8000), but no live view, which was a killer for me, so I'm selling it.  I sold the A300 as it didn't have good low-light resolution, neither did the A55, which was also too small for me. Lens selection is very, very good, particularly in older AF glass and it's quite cheap, with most lenses available for less than $200 (see http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/index.asp for a fairly complete lens database).  I'm also looking forward to using the built in wireless remote flash control and I'm eyeing the full-frame A850/900 cameras.  

I currently have a Sony A580 (which is an awesome camera), but the A550/560 or the A350 is also great.   If you want something less bulky, I strongly suggest the Olympus E-Px line or the fantastic new Olympus OM-D.  If you want something almost pocketable, Fuji's X10 and X100 are amazing (if expensive) smaller cameras.  

I'm currently looking for a PS to replace the E-P1, probably either an X10 or the Leica/Panasonic LXx series.

Sure Canon & Nikon are great, but unless you are a pro (who needs lots of rental outlets and worldwide professional services) then I think that Sony & Pentax are much, much better deals right now.  

Current Gear

  • Sony A580 & A700
  • Olympus E-P1
  • About 7 lenses, from 17 to 300mm, with a Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8 and a Minolta 50mm f/1.4 as primary.  Looking at a Tokina 11-16 or a Sigma 8-16.  Camera bags from Crumpler & Tamrac. Adobe Lightroom for managing the ~1000 photos a month I make...
  • Three wireless Sony/Minolta flashes with lots of other gear from umbrellas to soft boxes & reflectors.  A lot of this gear is now very cheap, which makes it easy to experiment.

HTH,

Chris

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 07:20:44 AM EST

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Nice photos. (Sensor is dirty, though.)

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ckm.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 07:59:46 PM EST

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Really?  That's interesting - tell me where and how you see this....

It would be interesting as the camera is near new (it was used for a video shot before I bought it).  It's possible the lens is dirty, however.

Chris.

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indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 10:05:12 AM EST

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That's an exhaustive post man, thank you. You got some great shots there as well.

I will take your advice into consideration, but I think you may be way more serious than I am. 1000 photos a month is probably average among serious photographers, I am not sure if I could do that.

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indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 01:08:49 PM EST

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Can you speak more about the in body stabilization vs the in lens stabilization.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 01:31:52 PM EST

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In-body stabilization uses accelerometers in the camera body to detect movement and physically shifts the image sensor to counteract the movement. In-lens stabilization uses accelerometers in the lens barrel and shifts one or more of the lens elements to counteract the motion. For legacy reasons Canon and Nikon use in-lens stabilization (works with film cameras as well as digital) and other brands use in-body. The advantage of in-body is that it works with all lenses, not just those equipped with IS. In-lens is theoretically capable of better stabilization because the system can be fine tuned to each lens, but in practice the best in-body IS systems are equal to the in-lens systems.

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ckm.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 08:41:47 PM EST

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I agree with zyxwvutsr.  In body stabilization will stabilize any lens, but it also results in much cheaper lens as there are virtually no electronics in the lens.  Also, lower end & shorter Canon/Nikon lenses don't have in lens stabilization.  I believe only zooms and longer lengths has it.

That's one advantage of the Sony A-mount.  Minolta was the first to build AF lenses in 1985, so there is a large pool of AF lenses that can be used on stabilized Sony bodies.

Chris.

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Decision

indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 11:37:44 AM EST

5.00 (informative)

So you guys have been immensely helpful and I have come to a decision. Even though I love the Canon's, I think they are floating more to the video side of things and that's why their features are balanced in that regard. I have decided instead to go with the Nikon D3200.

Here's the comparison between the Nikon D3200 and the Canon 60D.

That site rates them exactly the same, but for me I decided to go with the D3200 because it is a smaller, lighter camera with a bigger sensor and better image quality. I have small hands and I know if it doesn't feel right using it then I won't use it and it'll be waste. I really don't need the other jazz like the touch screen and flip out screen and all that.

The camera on B&H is $700 with the 18-55 lens kit so that's more than reasonable and I'll get the Nikon f1.8 50mm which is about $110.

I would appreciate pointers on how to shoot IE f-stop settings, ISO, etc.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 12:13:20 PM EST

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No doubt the Nikon is an excellent camera, but that rating site is probably next to worthless. "Autofocuses with all autofocus lenses"? WTF? And the Canon does not have a built-in focus motor - Nikons have that feature. I'm not at all trying to talk you out of it (honestly I'm not - in fact, I agree with most of what ckm wrote above and think you'd probably be no better off with a Canon than a Sony or Pentax or Olympus) but that comparison is silly.

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indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 01:13:24 PM EST

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You're correct, the site is off a bit, but for a general comparison it is handy. That's not the only site I used, I was also looking at dpreview.com, which has the a review for the D3200 on their frontpage.

I figure I'll take the shot and if I'm really not happy then I will ship the camera to India to a relative or something.

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ckm.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 08:32:12 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I find most comparison sites pretty useless - DPreview's technical analysis is OK for checking out how color rendering might look to me, but fundamentally, you just have to try it out.  Like I said, you pretty much have to find the camera system that most closely takes pictures in a way you like.

One of the reason I went with Sony is that I bought a very cheap setup on Craigslist (e.g. $200) on a whim.   It was a Sony A300 with two Minolta lenses.   It basically blew me away in terms of color & quality, much better than my E-P1.  That's what led me to my quest.

If I were in your shoes, I would find a decent, cheap used setup with a couple of well rated lenses, and would get that to try out, then get a more expensive setup.   You can always keep the lenses and sell the body to re-coup some costs.

Chris.

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Here's a question for you guys

indecentspeech.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 01:14:46 PM EST

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What 2-3 lenses are must-haves for you?

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 01:51:01 PM EST

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You want to cover a range of focal lengths, from wide-angle to moderate telephoto. In an APS-C based camera that means about 18mm to about 200mm. The kit lens I recommended above does that entire range. Most (maybe all) brands also offer two kit lenses that cover the same range - typically a 18-55 or so an a 55-200. With either I would add a fast prime lens, either a 50mm or 35mm f/2.0 or faster.

But it all depends on the type of photos you plan to shoot. For most people the range described above is a pretty optimal mix as it allows for nice wide shots (think landscapes or indoor photos in a relatively small room) to being able to reach out to long distances for closeups (think photos of soccer moms across the field). The trade off (all camera gear has trade offs) is that the "kit" zoom lenses have relatively small apertures and tend to be decent at one end of their zoom range but not so great across the entire range. Fast, high quality zooms are available, but are pricey. The other thing you don't get with inexpensive kit lenses is macro (i.e., closeup) capability, so if that's something important to you then a macro lens should be part of your gear.

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ckm.

Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 09:04:18 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

I have a NLA Sigma 17-70 f/2.8 which is fantastic and I often drag around a white label Tamron 70-300mm.

It largely depends on what you are shooting, but I generally want to stay out of typical kit-lens/point & shoot ranges, which either means very wide or very long.   Besides those two, I have a 50mm f/1.4, but it's really too narrow for most things on APS-C, so I just got a 28mm f/2.8.

I'm also considering a Tokina or Sigma ultra-wide.  But, realistically, I pretty much always use the 17-70.  Unless you are shooting wildlife, a fast wide zoom is the most useful IMHO, but pay attention to minimum focus distance (MFD) as a long one can be an absolute pain for indoor shooting.  And almost anything is better than most kit zooms, although I hear the new Sony 16-105 f/2.8 on the A77 is excellent.

One tip is to shoot for a while, then sort your EXIF data by focal length.  This will give you some idea of what ranges you actually most shoot in.

Chris.

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indecentspeech.

Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 01:22:24 PM EST

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 01:39:28 PM EST

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You know, I forgot to mention that Canon has a service center in NJ. (You live in NJ, right?)

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indecentspeech.

Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 09:44:27 PM EST

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Yup. Up by central NJ I see. I would've thought more North.

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:08:42 AM EST

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Maybe this doesn't interest you, but they have a walk-in service center for their professional gear (basically any SLRs except for the Rebel series), lenses, etc. They'll do a sensor cleaning - and even calibration and minor repairs if their workload is not too bad - while you wait. If they're busy they will take all the gear and call you when it's done. Cleaning and bringing everything back to factory spec (including programming per-lend microfocus adjustments) is gratis.

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:10:15 AM EST

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Er...that should have been "per lens."

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indecentspeech.

Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:23:16 AM EST

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I already received the Nikon, but for future purchases I'll keep that convenience in mind.

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zyxwvutsr.

Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:26:42 AM EST

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Nikon may have something similar. They must have a huge pro market share in NYC as well.

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indecentspeech.

Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 03:03:00 PM EST

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Just wanted to follow-up:

  • You guys have been absolutely correct with all your advice. After having read tons of stuff on photography I don't think I came across a single thing that disputed anything you guys said.

  • You're right about the 18-200mm, but I think maybe a 18-105mm would suit me better. But not anytime soon, as I splurged on the Nikon 50mm F1.8 AF-S G lens instead of the regular Nikon 50mm. I love it. I like the fact that it's also a Full-frame lens incase I want to upgrade the body later on. Cost me about $220 from B&H.

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More questions:

  • So from what I read, it's best to keep the ISO low and play with shutter speed and aperture. What do you think?

  • Does the hood for the lens matter that much?

  • What is your camera  set on in terms of image quality? Do you do raw+jpg, only raw, or only jpg (at fine)?

  • Are there any photo sites you guys use: 1) to upload your photos to share 2) for inspiration?

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zyxwvutsr.

Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 08:20:52 AM EST

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You guys have been absolutely correct with all your advice
This should not have come as a surprise to you as I am correct on everything I write here at Tree/Things.

...I splurged on the Nikon 50mm F1.8...
Great lens to learn photography. Give yourself assignments, going out with only that 50mm, like,
  • Shoot using only available light
  • Shoot everything wide open, i.e., at f/1.8 in Av or manual mode
  • Shoot using prefocus
  • Look for shots that will show strong bokeh


So. Your questions:


So from what I read, it's best to keep the ISO low and play with shutter speed and aperture. What do you think?

"Best" is very subjective.

A digression: I learned photography using 35mm film cameras, mostly a Pentax K1000 with a 50mm f/2.0 lens. This was a totally manual camera whose only electronics was a simple light metering system. Every shot required that you consciously make all of the decisions now made by the software in modern cameras (Is the scene backlit, requiring opening the aperture a stop or three? Is my shutter speed appropriate for the activity in the scene? Is my shutter speed high enough to meet the focal length reciprocal rule? What depth of field is possible given the light available and what depth of field am I looking for? At what f-stop is this particular lens sharpest and how much am I willing to accept an unsharp photo in order to get an optimal exposure? Is there just no way to get an acceptably sharp handheld photo given the light available?) The one thing you didn't have to worry about, at least at the moment you were pressing the shutter button, was what ISO* to use because the ISO was baked into the film you chose to load at whatever point prior to taking the shot.

The film you used was based on a number of factors, not least of which was its cost. If a roll of color film with 36 exposures was, say, $4 and the processing $10, then each click was $.38 - not a lot of money for a single shot, but it added up quickly.

Another factor was film speed (ISO). If you knew you would be shooting landscapes using a tripod, then you'd get some ISO 64 or 100 or whatever, because shutter speed wasn't really a problem. If you would be shooting a basketball game, then splurge and get one of the new ISO 1000 films and know that you had at least a chance of getting some usable photos.

Here is the point: once you loaded a roll you were committed to using that ISO until you needed (or wanted* * ) to reload. Is it "best" to keep ISO low? All else being equal, yes, because the result will be an image with less noise. But all else is seldom equal, and ISO should be considered one of three variables to proper exposure, along with shutter speed and aperture. Each of these variables possesses trade-offs, pros and cons, and I don't have the time to explicate those here. (Artificial lighting is arguably a fourth variable, with its own complications and trade-offs.) Asking whether it is best to keep ISO low is like asking whether it is best to keep shutter speed high or aperture wide or narrow: what is best is the combination that yields the photo you wanted to make. It makes no sense, for example, to get unwanted motion blur because you were under the mistaken belief that "it's best to keep the ISO low."

Experiment with all ISOs under a variety of lighting conditions and with a variety of subjects, and closely check the resulting photos. Sooner or later you'll figure out when you want or need to go with a higher ISO.



Does the hood for the lens matter that much?
There are three reasons people use lens hoods:
  1. To prevent or limit lens flare by preventing or limiting light from shining directly on a lens's front element.
  2. To protect the front of a lens from damage caused by bumping into things. (Break a hood? A new one will cost you a little. Break a lens? A new one will cost you a lot.)
  3. To make their camera look expensive and professional.
Get a lens hood. Like everything else with photo gear there are trade offs for using them, mostly because they make your camera and kit bulky. Still, the most useful thing is to learn what causes lens flare and react to those conditions when they occur. One easy trick is to stand in the shade instead of in the sun, if there is some shade conveniently close by - the shadow of a tree trunk, for example.



What is your camera  set on in terms of image quality? Do you do raw+jpg, only raw, or only jpg (at fine)?
Short answer: Raw.

Long answer: You will use JPEG, then experiment with raw, then decide JPEG is way more convenient and yields quality that is all but identical to raw and absolutely identical for most purposes, then experiment with raw again and appreciate anew its versatility under extreme conditions, then decide to go the raw+JPEG route for the convenience of JPEG with the raw available just in case, then get some serious software like Adobe Lightroom and get a workflow that you like and realize that your camera can do raw-JPEG conversions (Can it do that? Read the manual.) in case you want to make some prints at Target or wherever.



Are there any photo sites you guys use: 1) to upload your photos to share 2) for inspiration?
I liked Flickr until Yahoo bought them and screwed up my pasword and basically offered no help whatsoever in fixing the problem. Before Flickr I used my own website with various tools to upload and present. I also use Photobucket.

For inspiration, I like books. And government websites like the Library of Congress or NASA.




 * In my day we used ASA and we
liked it. Now get off my lawn.

 * * It was possible to reload mid-roll without wasting the rest of the roll: Since the rewind was done with a little hand crank (finger crank, really, given its size) you could note the frame number and carefully rewind until you could feel the loss of tension when the leader disengaged from the advance teeth. When you wanted to use the remainder of the roll you would simply reload and advance the film to the previously noted frame number with the lens cap on.

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Re: Cameras

ckm.

Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:34:31 AM EST

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500px.com will make you feel like a bad photographer all the time....

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