Media

Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

thefadd.

Posted to Media on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 08:47:17 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Gore Vidal, unrepentant liberal, has died. Do you care?

Tags: (all tags)

This story: 22 comments (0 from subqueue)
Post a Comment
1

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

novy.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:00:52 PM EST

none

I don't, really. But his liberalism has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

2

^ 1

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

thefadd.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:10:34 PM EST

none

His inability to ever shut up?

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

3

^ 2

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

novy.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:19:27 PM EST

none

I see no inherent link between gabbiness and liberalism.

Unless, of course, you think more intelligent people would naturally be more talkative (see my diary entry, "Liberals: More Intelligent Than Conservatives"), but that hasn't been my personal experience.

4

^ 3

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

thefadd.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:25:48 PM EST

none

No not at all. Just two of the man's personal shortcomings I was throwing out as reasons you might not care about his passing as much as all my FB liberal friends.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

5

^ 4

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

novy.

Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:27:53 PM EST

5.00 (canadian)

Vidal's politics have always bored me. He had nothing interesting to say about Canada.

6

^ 5

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

Haggis.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 06:24:32 AM EST

5.00 (hairy, funny, funny)

His hair products suck.

I am shitfitter; hear me roar.

7

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

port1080.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 09:10:54 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Vidal was ahead of the curve on gay rights, but, and perhaps it's because he was already getting old when I started to become exposed to him, I've always felt that his beliefs were very inflexible and not particularly nuanced.  He seemed like more of an ideologue than an intellectual in his essays.  I haven't read much of his fiction, so I can't really comment on it, but what little I did read (about half of Lincoln) I thought was pretty good, but not necessarily worthy of some of the adulation it received.

Allons-y!

9

^ 7

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

Gaius Petronius.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 01:19:42 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

I read a few of his novels, like Creation and Julian, both historical novels. They're pretty good, he was an interesting writer with an acid tongue. The problem was that eventually acid was all he had left.

One thing I will say is that for a writer known for bon mots and elegant snark, he did have a true sense of scope. Creation has a main character who is a Persian diplomat who over the course of his life meets Zoroaster, Pericles, Gautauma Buddha, and Confucius, who were in fact near-contemporaries. The idea is rather breathtaking, and fairly well carried off.

8

No Googling

Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:51:51 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Vidal was a homosexualist.

Trivia re: the famous Vidal/William F. Buckley exchange at the 1968 Democratic convention. Buckley was chosen by ABC to debate Vidal after their first choice turned them down. Who was he?

11

^ 8

Re: No Googling

thefadd.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 12:39:45 AM EST

none

I'm going to go with o.e of the Pats -- either Robertson or Buchanon.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

12

^ 11

Re: No Googling

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 01:08:35 PM EST

5.00 (hysterical)

Buchanan was working for Nixon at the time.

They asked Vladimir Nabokov. He politely suggested they get a native born American who was interested in current events.

14

^ 8

re: No Googling

natophonic.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 04:35:17 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

> homosexualist

For years, I've seen you use that term, and it's never failed to crack me up, because it sounds so ridiculously contrived. Nevertheless, I followed the link, and I'd seen most of those quotes before, but there at the bottom...

The reason no one has yet been able to come up with a good word to describe the homosexualist (sometimes known as gay, fag, queer, etc.) is because he does not exist. The human race is divided into male and female. Many human beings enjoy sexual relations with their own sex, many don't; many respond to both. This plurality is the fact of our nature and not worth fretting about. - "Sex Is Politics" (1979) in The Second American Revolution, 1983.

Here I'd thought you made the term up!

Now, I don't disagree with what Vidal is saying, but I do think that Ron White put it far more persuasively and eloquently...

15

^ 14

Re: re: No Googling

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:22:22 PM EST

none

16

^ 15

Re: re: No Googling

novy.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:21:46 PM EST

5.00 (homosexual)

Wow. 5 billionths of America's books mention it. I bet you've read every one, you heterosexualist you.

17

^ 8

Re: No Googling

novy.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:25:06 PM EST

none

American conservatives can always be counted on to threaten violence. Interesting to know that that development hasn't been particularly recent.

18

^ 17

Re: No Googling

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:44:56 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

American liberals can always be counted on to be cowed by such threats.

19

^ 18

Re: No Googling

novy.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:46:11 PM EST

5.00 (kind)

Or at least not to respond in kind.

20

^ 19

Re: No Googling

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:55:57 PM EST

none

What?

21

^ 20

Re: No Googling

novy.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 09:14:15 PM EST

none

English-challenged, eh? You say that "American liberals can always be counted on to be cowed by such threats" (i.e., threats of violence) and I reply "[American liberals can always be counted on] not to respond in kind" (i.e., with reciprocal threats of violence), and you feign inability to understand?

Conservatives admire their violent instincts, while liberals attempt to restrain them. Thus, your sexual-like love of guns. I wonder if you'll understand that remark either.

10

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

buffalopete.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 05:33:07 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, interesting, interesting)

I remember picking up Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace when I was like 19 or 20. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that that book, and Dreaming War, changed the way I looked at the world around me.

I did most of my growing up in a post-cold war, pre-9/11 world. I was a fairly awake and aware kid (for a kid); I knew about Bosnia and Kosovo, Iraq, Somalia and Zaire, Haiti. Then, of course, the World Trade Center, the bombing of the USS Cole, 9/11. But only very dimly and shallowly, and in isolation. Gore Vidal's essays after 9/11 transformed my conception of American foreign policy and domestic police state tactics from a disjointed set of unrelated and incomprehensible events into a cohesive whole, a policy, something I could grasp.

I have been borderline obsessed with the topic ever since, and although my view of the world has diverged (and I hope matured) a lot in the ten years since, that book lit the fire. Which when looked at next to the sweep of my adult life, and my activities of the last year, in a roundabout sort of way means Gore Vidal is part of the reason I joined the Republican Party, which is sort of hilarious.

I think the only other book of his I've read was Creation, which wasn't very memorable. But sometimes you just wind up with the right book at the right time in your life.

Buffalo Pete: Raving batshit loony? Or HOPE FOR MAN???
(I may be that guy.)

13

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

Gaius Petronius.

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 02:15:56 PM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

An alternate view of Mr. Vidal: that he was a bigot and antisemite.

What is the opposite of eulogy? Calumny?

22

Re: Gore Vidal Is Dead -- Long Live Gore Vidal?

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 01:10:20 AM EST

5.00 (informative, informative)

In September, director Roman Polanski was arrested in Switzerland for leaving the U.S. in 1978 before being sentenced to prison for raping a 13-year-old girl at Jack Nicholson's house in Hollywood. During the time of the original incident, you were working in the industry, and you and Polanski had a common friend in theater critic and producer Kenneth Tynan. So what's your take on Polanski, this many years later?

"I really don't give a fuck. Look, am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she's been taken advantage of?"

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

This story: 22 comments (0 from subqueue)
Post a Comment