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Israel Debates "Surprise" Attack On Iran

novy.

Posted to Politics on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 02:57:39 PM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Israeli Prime Minster Bibi Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barack may not agree on much else, but both really want Israel to attack Iran, preferably before America's presidential election in November. Netanyahu recently appointed his old friend Avi Dichter to take charge of Israel's home front in case of Iranian counterattacks on several fronts, which might cause hundreds of Israeli deaths.

Do Netanyahu and Barak mean what they have been saying, or have they been bluffing in hopes of affecting America's presidential election? No decision has yet been made, according to former national security advisor Uzi Dayan, and Israel's leaders could still be persuaded to back off if U.S. President Obama imposed stricter sanctions and promised to use military force if necessary.

Of course, what Israel might consider "necessary" and what America would consider necessary might be very different. Plainly, America's military hopes Israel won't attack, and lots of Israelis don't seem especially enthusiastic either.

Europeans don't believe Israel will go through with it. Neither does Iran. But with Israel, you can never tell. Sure, President Peres says Israel shouldn't attack without American assistance and that he trusts Obama, but Israeli leftists and peaceniks have less influence lately than ever. Lots of independent observers do think Israel will attack, whether America approves or not.

Does Netanyahu figure he can blackmail Obama into war with Iran? Does he figure Romney will promise to attack Iran if Obama won't? Do you think Israel really will attack, or that it would make sense for it to do so? Will Sunni countries like Saudi secretly welcome Israel's prospective assault? Or has this been much ado about internal Israeli politics?

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Worst foreign policy election in a generation

port1080.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 08:01:19 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Worth noting - this is the first election in recent memory where neither major party candidate has foreign policy or military experience.  Granted, after four years in office one can make a pretty good argument that Obama now has foreign policy experience in spades (whether you agree with what he's done is another story), but it's worth noting.  The Romney/Ryan ticket seems to be completely ignoring foreign policy - neither one has any experience with it, and so far their foreign policy team is not getting rave reviews, and so far his foreign policy in action has been...disastrous.  

Serious question for the TnTers who support Romney - does it worry you that his foreign policy team is heavily weighted with the neoconservatives who supported the Iraq War, and that Romney will likely defer to them since he has no foreign policy knowledge of his own?  Do you think we can afford another large scale war in the Middle East?  

Allons-y!

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 08:20:27 AM EST

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It's worrisome, yes, but not as bad as the idea of having another four years of anti-job policies.

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

port1080.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 08:55:19 AM EST

none

I guess a draft is one way to deal with the unemployment problems of recent college and high school graduates...

Allons-y!

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 09:06:40 AM EST

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Amusing though it would no doubt be to see the whining Occupy juveniles (for example) be forced to do some real work and face some adversity for the first time in their exceedingly pampered, comfortable lives, there isn't going to be a military draft no matter what wars we may find ourselves in.

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

port1080.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 09:14:54 AM EST

none

Pretty much agreed, although if for some bizarre reason we ended up in a serious war with China or Russia I could see the draft being re-instituted...but I think such a war would be incredibly unlikely.

Allons-y!

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

HidingFromGoro.

Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 01:36:08 AM EST

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Hey the more Occupy juveniles receiving weapons and small-unit training better.  

Conscription also helps with political awareness (Bonus Army, etc)

I got more styles than prison got bricks- ain't that some shit?

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

novy.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 10:33:11 AM EST

none

Spending trillions on fruitless wars couldn't possibly have had anything to do with America's economic comeuppance in 2007. Sure, American presidents have practically unrestricted power with respect to foreign policy and amazingly little power with respect to domestic policy (unless their party controls Congress by large margins), but putting Bushies back in charge of American foreign policy would be MUCH WORSE than letting Obama struggle with Republicans in Congress over domestic policy.

Maybe your upcoming war with Iran will be good for America's economy. At least it will show those pampered youngsters what for, eh?

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Re: Worst foreign policy election in a generation

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 10:38:43 AM EST

none

Yes, I agree with you that high government spending is bad for the economy.

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Re: Israel Debates "Surprise" Attack On

novy.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 10:50:51 AM EST

none

Governments dominated by "religious" extremists almost uniformly suck. Israel's religious fanatics seem every bit as wicked to me as Iran's or Iraq's or Lebanon's, notwithstanding their occasional pretence of tolerance for people with Western sensibilities.

Any orchestrated feminist movement (like that promoted by Pussy Riot) would unleash more chaos in Israel than it has in Russia, as most haredim, ultra-Orthodox, and neo-Orthodox types in Israel find feminism as offensive as any Saudi sheik would.

Too bad Alf hates Jews indiscriminately or he would really appreciate Bibi Netanyahu. As in Singapore or Saudi, fascism continues to live large in Western-supported regimes. At least Singapore doesn't want to occupy Malaysia and drag America into war to accomplish its goals.  

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