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The Lonliest Competitor

Gaius Petronius.

Posted to Sport on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:55:56 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

Wojdan Shaherkani, the first women to represnt Saudi Arabia in the Olympics, lost her first match. Now all she has to do is get back home alive.

Already under attack at home as the "Prostitute of the Olympics", Wojdan has been kept away from the press by her family. The IOC pressured the Saudis to include a woman, but they seem to have done it with typical bad grace. One fears for how she will fare when back home. As bad as that is, she also had to deal with an embarrasing match. She was in no way ready to compete at this level of play. Her opponent, Melissa Mojica of Puerto Rico is rated 24th in the world, and after grapping for two minutes finally flipped Wodjan to end the misery. Sometimes first steps are very scary indeed.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

port1080.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:55:20 AM EST

5.00 (astute)

Saudi Arabia may possibly be the most evil society left in the world...sure there are worse places to live, but on an institutional level, Saudi Arabia takes the gold - it's a strong state (in the sense that it's well funded and able to enforce its own rules and laws), it's well funded, and it punches above its weight in terms of international influence due to its control of Mecca and its control of the world's largest oil fields.  There's no way to put a fine point on this - the world will be a much, much better place when the house of Saud collapses back into the piddling little desert tribe that it used to be.  Their oil wells can't dry up soon enough.  As bad as Hussein was, I think we made a serious, serious mistake about which side to choose back in '91/'92.  Those people saying we should throw our full weight behind the Syrian rebels should take a long hard look at Saudi Arabia (and Hamas, and what's going on in Egypt and Libya right now...) - the enemy of our enemy isn't always our friend (and, honestly, you're not really "friends" with the dealer that supplies your crack...especially when he's shown he's willing to cut you off on occasion just to make a point, and every time you're doing well he milks you for all you're worth).

Allons-y!

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

Anywhere.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:34:51 AM EST

none

Saudi Arabia may possibly be the most evil society left in the world...

I would like to submit North Korea as a candidate for that title.  Any society that has human beings live their entire lives in slave camps as punishment for the sins of their grandfathers can have all the notional gender equality it wants and still at least have a shot at medaling.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

port1080.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:48:03 AM EST

5.00 (astute, interesting)

I see your point, but at least North Korean society holds up a way of life as an ideal that would be acceptable to modern sensibilities.  The reality is obviously quite different, to the point where I do agree that life in North Korea is certainly worse than life in Saudi Arabia, but it wouldn't take an entire change of culture and worldview to get from here to there for North Korea - just a change in regime (which indeed we may already be seeing...although perhaps that's overly optimistic, time will tell - and yes I know it's not nearly as simple as saying "just regime change" since the current regime has seriously mangled society there and even if the two countries merged today there would be consequences for generations to come...but I can at least see hope there).  Even if there is regime change in Saudi Arabia, the culture is so thoroughly fucked up, so thoroughly wrong, that you have to wonder where the impetus for change would even come from.  It's not like the regime holds up high ideals and fails to follow through - it is exactly what it says it is.  What's worse, the people who want change want the place to be even more conservative.  What little civil society exists is completely neutered and terrified that the King will withdraw his protection and let the Wahhabis completely have their way.  

Allons-y!

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

thefadd.

Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:55:06 AM EST

none

But they're Niners fans. Anybody else remember those radio commercials the Saudis were running shortly after 9/11 about how they were America's friends?

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:25:53 PM EST

none

Mass starvation in service of failed policies would also recommend NK for one of those medals.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:24:25 PM EST

none

Truly democratic governments in Arab and other Muslim countries might well turn out to be anti-American and anti-Western because of vast cultural differences (especially related to treatment of women) between countries dominated by secularists and countries dominated by observant Muslims, but that doesn't necessarily mean America should support entrenched dictators either. I think America (and other democratic nations) should endorse and support their own values whether or not they obtain any immediate direct benefit from doing so.

During Jimmy Carter's Administration, America started demanding that its Latin American allies go democratic, which demand didn't exactly endear Carter to dictators that dominated those nations in those days. They held out, hoping that America's next Republican President would be more understanding of dictatorial prerogatives. That next Republican was Ronald Reagan, who surprised Latin dictators by making similar democratisation demands. Latin America rolled over quickly thereafter. Less than 8 years later, demands for democratisation became so strong in Russia that America's primary post-1945 existential enemy collapsed internally. There may have been no direct connection between America's actions in Latin America and what happened in Russia, but there may well have been indirect connections.  

Talk of throwing America's "full weight behind the Syrian rebels" only began when it appeared that Syria's pro-democracy movement was likely to descend into chaotic civil war. America doesn't "win" if Assad stays in office, but it also doesn't win if Sunnis backed by Saudi Arabia (and Iraq's chapter of al-Qaida) take over and begin to murder Shias and Alawites in large numbers. Given that "no-win" situation, America might just as well act in accordance with its own values and let those chips fall where they may.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's monarchy has played its cards surpassing well. It has effectively bought off America's Republican Party, its ambassadors have become everyone's best friends and indispensable party throwers in Washington, and rumour has it that Saudis may have had something to do with Obama getting into Harvard Law School. No one, left or right, will argue for energy policies in America that would cause Saudi Arabians even slight indigestion. American politics have long been for sale, with your Supreme Court's recent approval, and Saudi princes know how to bid for influence as well as any Super-PAC contributor. Don't like Saudi society? Too bad. All you could really do about it would be to vigourously promote fracking, something many Americans  won't tolerate even if their dependence on Middle Eastern oil sucks them into even more wars to secure supplies.

Most evil? Saudi Arabia may be more culturally alien from America and other Western countries than any other (even NK ostensibly believes in women's rights on some levels) but America has supported some amazingly bloody and repressive dictatorships in its day. We have yet to see pictures of untold numbers of dead Saudis piled up in open pits, if you catch my drift.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

port1080.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:42:47 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Saudi Arabia may be more culturally alien from America and other Western countries than any other (even NK ostensibly believes in women's rights on some levels) but America has supported some amazingly bloody and repressive dictatorships in its day. We have yet to see pictures of untold numbers of dead Saudis piled up in open pits, if you catch my drift.

Regimes that pile bodies up in pits don't tend to last very long (yeah, the USSR and the PRC both lasted pretty long, but the bodies-in-pits moments didn't, and arguably there was regime change between Stalin and Kruschev, and between Mao and Deng, even if the names and government structures stayed somewhat the same).  I think that the most insidious threat to liberal democracy is a country like Saudi Arabia - a country that can show the world that it's possible to have a high standard of living, and also have a totalitarian / highly repressive religious dictatorship.  Maybe (almost certainly) it's not possible without the oil money, but it still serves as a model for another way of doing things and still having successful outcomes.  No other country that has bucked the forms and norms of modern Western governance has done anywhere near as well for itself.

Allons-y!

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Re: The Loneliest Competitor

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:52:00 PM EST

none

Singapore? High standard of living, authoritarian government, no need for oil money, and wonderful model for another way of doing things and still having successful outcomes. Not one moment of bodies piled up in pits either.

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Re: The Loneliest Competitor

port1080.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:51:22 PM EST

none

Singapore is basically a liberal Western state in every way but one - the political process is transparently rigged.  Admittedly that's a big one, but there aren't regular human rights abuses or anything like that - the government goes after people who very blatantly criticize the government if they find them to be actually threatening (or occasionally they go after the non-threatening ones too, if they want to make an example), but otherwise living in Singapore isn't much different than living in London, Toronto, wherever.  It's the Western lifestyle (or at least, the Western lifestyle as it's been adapted to the East), just without the democracy.  I guess it's heresy for me to say it, but I find that a lot less problematic than the inverse (a democracy that completely rejects Western social and governmental norms).  Saudi is the worst of both - it completely rejects Western social norms, and it's an authoritarian regime that verges on totalitarian (if we consider the religious leaders to be part of the regime, anyway - I realize there are a lot of tensions between the state and the state religion, but it still is the state religion, the two are inextricably linked and I'm not one of those who is willing to be an apologist for the Kings by blaming all the crazy on the Wahhabis - the Kings made that deal with the devil a long time ago and they've never seriously considered walking back from it).

Allons-y!

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Re: The Loneliest Competitor

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:18:20 PM EST

none

"[L]iberal Western state in every way but one - the political process is transparently rigged."

And you can get executed for pot. And you can get publicly flogged for graffiti. Or punished for chewing gum. And if Singapore's government suggests, e.g., not driving in left-hand lanes unless you have some really good reason, next day no one will be driving in those lanes.

Yeah, just like New Jersey except governmental authoritarianism.

I understand that Saudi would be even worse to hang out in than Singapore, but I really wouldn't be caught dead in either place.  

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

indecentspeech.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:50:39 AM EST

5.00 (astute, agreed, proper)

Gotta give props to this woman. She's definitely more brave than any of us.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:18:11 PM EST

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

Gaius Petronius.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:39:27 PM EST

none

Apparently Saudi Arabia isn't the only place with threatening tweets. Olympic trap shooter Corey Cogdell is being threatened with death by animal rights activists.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:34:46 PM EST

none

Corey Cogdell may be unpopular with animal rights activists, but her likelihood of actually dying at their hands ranks up there with my chances of being killed by Belarussian spies because I diss Lukashenko on-line.

Meanwhile, Shaherkani's chances of ending up dead or suffering substantially for her activities look pretty good. Her situation can't be legitimately compared to Cogdell's.  

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Can't Pepperdine University

novy.

Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:51:41 PM EST

none

offer this woman asylum?

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

Gaius Petronius.

Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 03:00:37 PM EST

none

Well, for something a bit lighter, a roundup of the Conspiracy Olympics.

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Re: The Lonliest Competitor

pO157.

Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 06:30:58 PM EST

5.00 (astute, astute)

That whole nation is a freaking travesty. Another example of why we should cut off foreign aid and dump the money (at the bare minimum) into clean energy technologies. The less control these savages have on our energy needs the better off we will be in the long run.

America! I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.

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Re: The Loneliest Competitor

novy.

Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 07:22:25 PM EST

none

Saudi doesn't need "foreign aid".

But meanwhile, America reduced carbon emissions from 2007 to 2011 by over 500,000,000 metric tonnes based solely on conversion of coal-fired electric plants to natural gas-fired ones. Most US environmentalists don't consider that "clean energy technology", of course.

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Re: The Loneliest Competitor

Shy Elf.

Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 11:08:37 PM EST

none

We reduced emissions even more during the Great Depression.  Go USA!

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Re: The Other Competitor

Gaius Petronius.

Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 02:32:04 PM EST

none

It turns out that Arabia had two women on the team. Sarah Attar was born and raised in California, and runs track for Pepperdine College. While there, she competes in shorts and  singlet like everybody else. However, she has joint US/Saudi nationality, so she can run for Arabia. Unlike her sister in the rest of this story, she will return to Pepperdine this fall, instead of back to dodging the religious police in the Prophet's homeland.

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