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America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

novy.

Posted to Politics on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:47:35 AM EST (promoted from Diaries by port1080). RSS.

America's Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens was killed, along with three other Americans, in Benghazi, Libya, on 11 September, as riots broke out in Libya, Egypt, and Yemen in response to some third-rate movie made in California denigrating Muslim prophet Mohammad. Republican presidential candidate slammed President Obama over his response to these attacks, claiming that Obama "apologized" for American values and showed weakness in response to foreign threats.  

Right-wingers were delighted by Romney's remarks even as most media commentary was negative. Does Obama remind you of Jimmy Carter? Does Romney shoot first and ask questions later? Does this new foreign policy debate work in either candidate's favour?

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

novy.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:04:17 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I hope running on Bush Jr's Hal-Lindsey-inspired chip-on-shoulder "End Of The World" foreign policy sinks Romney's candidacy. I thought he was running on Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! While he sucks up to right-wing ultras in his party, he has been scaring me in ways he never did previously. I thought his crazy right-wing rhetoric was all masquerade, but now I can't be sure.

How did this guy get elected governor of Massachusetts anyway?

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:27:55 PM EST

none

Most media commentary was negative? What a surprise.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:32:44 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

The new Libya may be a mess, but it does have great zoos.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

Ephraim Gadsby.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:37:27 PM EST

none

Remember this and this?

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

novy.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:13:32 PM EST

none

Never trust American presidential candidates not to screw you once they get elected.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

port1080.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:37:16 PM EST

none

Criticism of Obama by the media and by Romney's proxies is completely valid, but I think Romney stepped in it bigtime by going after Obama himself.  I think Fred Kaplan pretty much nailed it.  Romney has been just awful on foreign policy - he's basically surrounded himself with Bush's first term neo-con advisors (who even Bush was smart enough to mostly dump after the Chainsaw had his third or fourth heart attack and Jr. finally got the balls to overrule him), and we all know where they took us last time.  If you care about a president's foreign policy chops at all, you should be very, very scared of what Romney's been showing.  Obama hasn't been a master on the FP front, but he has managed to at least mostly stay out of the way and not make any major gaffes.  Given what Romney's shown so far, I'd expect a quick regression to 2000-2003, which I think it's fair to say gave us the worst set of US foreign policy decisions since the 1930s.

Allons-y!

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Kill This Story

novy.

Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:43:35 PM EST

5.00 (obnoxious)

And append its posts to Gerrymander's thread, which has many more comments.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

Ephraim Gadsby.

Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:28:37 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

There hasn't been any debate, there has been a phony controversy about Romney's "gaffe" and no discussion of the fact that the US chose to bring about the conditions that have resulted in mobs attacking our embassies, let alone a reconsideration.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

AngryWhiteMan.

Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:25:16 AM EST

none

I will outsource my reply to a life long Republican:

http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

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Probably not

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:05:53 PM EST

none

Remember when Frum hired a homosexual Satanist to attack real conservatives for "racism"?

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Re: Probably not

AngryWhiteMan.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:28:07 PM EST

none

I'd say you just passed the FOX test with flying colors

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Re: Probably not

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:50:49 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

I'm not joking, that happened.

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Re: Probably not

AngryWhiteMan.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:22:12 PM EST

none

And what, pray tell, does that have to do with that post? I mean other than avoiding the point and poisoning a well.

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Re: Probably not

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:16:53 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

It provides context.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

zyxwvutsr.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:57:20 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

It's really remarkable how much stuff Frum gets completely wrong.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

novy.

Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:10:38 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Of course there has been no such discussion, since Middle East democratisation was bipartisan American foreign policy. If Obama and Romney were debating this policy, they would be debating what American ought to do to retain its Arab "allies", be understanding or be tough (as Romney made clear when he discussed American "conditions" for Egypt to remain America's "ally"). Romney wants America to invade Syria and overthrow Assad, remember? No important American politician of any party will be taking your side when you suggest that Russia was right when it objected to Khaddafi's overthrow and murder.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

thefadd.

Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:08:26 PM EST

none

Probably Gary Johnson. I wouldnt yet sah that he's unimportant.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

thefadd.

Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:05:15 PM EST

none

Forget Frum. Your post is word for word the liberal line circa September 12, 2001.

I HAD HAD SEX WITH HUNTER S THOMPSON. HE CAME IN MY MOUTH AND I SWALLOWED IT. I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BABY. WE WOULD BE BALLIN' LIKE KOBE'S SON!!

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Use the chemical weapons

Ephraim Gadsby.

Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:14:49 PM EST

5.00 (liberal)

Reuter's reports:

Foreign Islamists intent on turning Syria into an autocratic theocracy have swollen the ranks of rebels fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad and think they are waging a "holy war", a French surgeon who treated fighters in Aleppo has said.

Jacques Beres, co-founder of medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres, returned from Syria on Friday evening after spending two weeks working clandestinely in a hospital in the besieged northern Syrian city.

In an interview with Reuters in his central Paris apartment on Saturday, the 71-year-old said that contrary to his previous visits to Homs and Idlib earlier this year about 60 percent of those he had treated this time had been rebel fighters and that at least half of them had been non-Syrian.

"It's really something strange to see. They are directly saying that they aren't interested in Bashar al-Assad's fall, but are thinking about how to take power afterwards and set up an Islamic state with sharia law to become part of the world Emirate," the doctor said.

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Re: America's Foreign Policy Debate Begins

ThePlague.

Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:00:59 AM EST

5.00 (liberal)

So, bombing a country leads to retaliation eventually?  Whodda thunk it.

the secret to happiness is to have you pay for my cocaine and mountain climbing-p0157

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